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Meeting of the Parliament 15 September 2021 (Hybrid)

15 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
North Sea Oil and Gas
Kerr, Liam Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

No one, especially not the industry, denies that there is a climate emergency. We all saw the conclusions of the recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, which underlines the consequences of historical actions and the need to take significant steps now. However, those actions must be carefully considered, and it is absolutely clear that we must avoid the temptation to impose simplistic solutions and should instead consider the science to help us to make what are tough and sometimes unpalatable choices.

The issue that lies at the very core of the debate is that there is still significant on-going demand. Members of the former just transition commission told the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee that just last week, and the Climate Change Committee acknowledges it under every scenario. Currently, oil and gas account for three quarters of the United Kingdom’s energy needs, and it is forecast that, by 2050, half of all UK energy demand will still need to be met by oil and gas. By the time that the Cambo oil field is scheduled to start producing, oil and gas supply will have declined by 33 per cent on 2020, but demand will have fallen by only 15 per cent. Yesterday, the cabinet secretary agreed when, in response to my question, he said:

We have done a lot on the supply side ... we have not done enough on the demand side.”—[Official Report, Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, 14 September 2021; c 17.]

Indeed, this morning, on “Good Morning Scotland”, Mark Ruskell agreed, in restating that our focus must be on the demand side.

The situation is complex. About a quarter of the UK’s oil and gas goes towards manufacturing everyday products including medicines, cosmetics and household cleaners, as well as asphalt for roads and materials that are used for wind turbines and solar panels. The fact is that we are not yet at a stage where renewables can supply all the electricity that Britain needs to keep the lights on in our homes, hospitals, schools and factories.

From where should we source the oil and gas to meet that demand? We could source from abroad—we do that already. Between January and March this year, the UK had to import 56 per cent of the gas that was required to keep the nation’s homes and power stations running. It cannot be sensible to cut our own resources—it is Scotland’s oil, after all, cabinet secretary—and to become increasingly dependent on countries such as Qatar, which exports liquefied natural gas thousands of miles by ship. That is in a context in which, according to the Oil and Gas Authority, natural gas from the UK continental shelf has less than half the carbon footprint of that imported LNG.

If we offshore our responsibilities and emissions, we have no means to control them. As Sir Ian Wood said, we become dependent on countries with far less strict environmental regulations than the world-leading UK. Last year, we imported almost £3 billion in oil and gas from Russia. I cannot believe that members want to increase our exposure to, and reliance on, that regime.

If we prematurely end production, our balance of trade will suffer. Although we know that that is of no concern to the Green Party, we must all be concerned that, last year, when UK and European Union production shrank but demand grew, gas prices surged. If oil and gas costs more, that will plunge thousands into fuel poverty.

Mike Tholen of Oil & Gas UK points out that offshoring production and importing would

“cause an energy skills shortage that would decimate our ability to deliver the low carbon energy mix our members are already creating in the UK, through wind, solar, tidal, hydrogen and other greener technologies.”

That is key. The industry supports close to 100,000 jobs in Scotland—more than 60,000 in the north-east. A hard shutdown of the industry would consign the region to a bleak future and would end all the innovations that those workers are already delivering in our transition. We need people with those skills to pioneer greener energy and to develop carbon capture, hydrogen and offshore wind at scale and rapidly. Losing those skills will undermine our transition.

What of the fabled just transition—moving oil and gas workers into the renewables sector? Last week, the former head of the just transition commission, Jim Skea, said that the words “just transition” are used as “magic dust”.

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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
If the UK Tory Government is serious about the future of the north-east, it should be working to secure it. Does the member agree with Professor Jim Skea, th...
Liam Kerr Con
I congratulate the member on reading out a prepared intervention. What is most galling about the relentless whataboutery is that not only does it waste every...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the cabinet secretary, Michael Matheson, to speak to and move amendment S6M-01193.3 for up six minutes. 15:30
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport (Michael Matheson) SNP
Thank you—Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Do we have a problem with the cabinet secretary’s microphone? Could the cabinet secretary maybe take the card out and push it all the way back in? We will se...
Michael Matheson SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. As the chamber knows, the oil and gas industry supports around 100,000 jobs in Scotland and, even as we transition away from f...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the member agree that the oil and gas industry has taken important steps to become more sustainable?
Michael Matheson SNP
Yes. The evidence from the IPCC is clear: countries around the world cannot continue to pursue maximum economic recovery of fossil fuels if the Paris agreem...
Liam Kerr Con
Does the cabinet secretary not recognise that the UK has already put in place a £16 billion North Sea transition deal to facilitate exactly that process?
Michael Matheson SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is in his final 30 seconds.
Michael Matheson SNP
That will support and accelerate the transition of the region and support the role of Aberdeen and the wider north-east of Scotland as a centre of excellence...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Monica Lennon Lab
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Liam Kerr Con
Will the member give way?
Monica Lennon Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Liam McArthur—Interruption.. Take a seat, Mr McArthur. There is a lot of chatter on the Conservative side of the chamber. We would like to hear every...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am used to that reaction as I clamber to my feet. This Parliament voted into law a shared commitment to reaching net zero by...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
Not at the moment, Mr Kerr. We should not forget that we are talking about a licence that was first considered in 2001. Back in 2001, many still questioned ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I remind members that speeches are to be of up to four minutes. There is no time in hand. 15:46
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in what is a hugely important debate—and one that will continue long after this afternoon. I hope that we will ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
How many of the 20 billion barrels of oil and gas in the North Sea will be required to produce medicine?
Brian Whittle Con
I will just pull that figure out of my back pocket—what a great question. What Mark Ruskell might not know is that, because of its grade, the oil in the Nort...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of interests and my interest in Islay Energy Community Benefit Society. The Tory motion can only delay our journ...
Liam Kerr Con
I am listening very carefully. Where would the member source the oil and gas to meet demand?
Jenni Minto SNP
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