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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 March 2021

04 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

When last we debated the bill, I pointed out that statistics are not just numbers on a page, but a public asset that is used to inform policy. It is therefore vital that the public has trust in both the statistics themselves and how they are used.

The current model of privileged access in Scotland does not lend itself to maintaining, let alone strengthening, that trust. That is because SNP ministers currently enjoy a level of early access well beyond what is required—a full five days, in some cases. That allows ministers far too much leeway to spin figures or even to try to bury them away. We need only think back to Derek Mackay’s attempts, a few months before he was forced from office, to spin the dropping of employment by 43,000 by deflecting to a 0.3 per cent decline in youth unemployment, or his attempt to spin a £12.6 billion “Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland” deficit as somehow a sign of strength.

There is a clear need for reform—and experts agree. The UK Statistics Authority has called for the SNP’s excess PRA period to be significantly rolled back, and it is not alone. In evidence to the committee, Martin Weale of the Royal Statistical Society called the lengthy period of pre-access in Scotland

“an anomaly relative to almost the whole developed world.”—[Official Report, Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee, 26 September 2017; c 9.]

It is disappointing, then, that the SNP has chosen to defend its privilege and to oppose reform at every opportunity. It rejected the committee’s initial recommendations, which forced the committee to pursue reform through legislation. Every SNP committee member then opposed the bill, and the party refused to vote for it at stage 1. We even had a minister—Ben Macpherson—claiming that the bill was a political attack on the SNP. He said that the

“intention to remove pre-release access, at least somewhat, seems political”.—[Official Report, 12 November 2020; c 87.]

In reality, the bill takes a measured approach to reform that recognises the need for ministers to have a sensible level of early access. In fact, the bill is far more generous than some have been calling for. The UK Statistics Authority wants PRA to be reduced from five days to just three hours, but the bill offers a full 24 hours for certain economic statistics. Even where PRA would be removed—for GDP and retail statistics—there is a phased approach, not a cliff-edge cut. PRA would be initially reduced to 24 hours, then, after a year, to four hours, before being removed entirely. An independent review mechanism will examine the impact on GDP statistics. If access needs to be restored, that will be able to be done without further legislation.

The bill does not seek to intrude beyond the committee’s remit into education, health or any other portfolio area.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
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Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gordon Lindhurst Con
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The Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Kate Forbes) SNP
In the midst of the biggest economic crisis since the second world war, is it not somewhat worrying that the biggest and most pressing issue that the economy...
Gordon Lindhurst Con
That is the same repeated, and, frankly, boring point that has been made previously in these debates. It is worrying that the Scottish Government considers i...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
On the cabinet secretary’s point, does the member agree that at this time of crisis and emergency, we need facts and figures and that this is about the timin...
Gordon Lindhurst Con
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Ivan McKee will open for the Government. 15:11
The Minister for Trade, Innovation and Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
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Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the minister not concede that the bill is not about the time that is taken to prepare statistics? It is purely about their release and who has access to...
Ivan McKee SNP
The member is correct that the issue is not about the time that is taken to prepare the statistics, but it is, as I said, about the time that is taken to und...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Ivan McKee SNP
I do not know how good the member is with numbers, but how long does he think that it would take him to understand a set of numbers and be able to pass sensi...
Maurice Golden Con
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Let me start by picking up on a few things that have already been said. Daniel Johnson talked about data. Data becomes information only when it has been anal...
Daniel Johnson Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Can you clarify whether all members are under an obligation to speak the truth in the chamber and that misleading Par...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That point is true: every member has an obligation to speak the truth. I am not entirely sure that Mr Stevenson was not speaking the truth. He was giving a p...
Gordon Lindhurst Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I hope that my time is not yet up, in the chamber or elsewhere. World statistics day was last November, and the tagline was ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on stage 3 of the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill.