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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill, which was passed last week, and my bill. I think that they are the first two Scottish Parliament bills to incorporate international treaties. The policy intention of my bill is that, if Scotland wishes to be bound by the charter as it currently exists and as ratified by the UK, even if the UK decided in five years’ time to renounce articles 5, 6 and 7, Scotland would still be bound by those articles—they would remain part of Scots law and would be judiciable. That same argument applies to the UNCRC bill and would apply to any other bill that sought to incorporate international instruments.

It is a devolution issue—although that is perhaps a technical term—whereby there is an inherent risk if the Scottish Parliament decides to incorporate treaties and not have an automatic keeping pace power. That is not a good situation to be in, but I accept the cabinet secretary’s assessment of the risk, although I take a different view. The matter needs to be considered and clarified, and, if necessary, the devolution arrangements need to be modified to better enable the Scottish Parliament to decide by which international treaties and their parts it wishes to be bound.

I seek to withdraw amendment 1.

Amendment 1, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 2 not moved.

Amendment 3 moved—[Aileen Campbell]—and agreed to.

Amendments 4 and 5 not moved.

Section 6A—Enhanced scrutiny of regulations under section 6(1)

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amend...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the meaning and interpretation of the charter articles. Amendment 1, in the name of Andy Wightman, is grouped with amendments 2 to 5. I remind ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I should say in advance that I will take a little time in speaking to the amendments in group 1 because, although they are relatively minor in certain ways, ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
Amendment 3, in my name, is necessary to clarify the effect of section 1(2A). It will extend subsection (2A) to require the charter articles to be read subje...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Cabinet secretary, I am very sorry to do this, but I am afraid that we have lost the virtual chamber. It is not your doing at all—it is a technical fault. Th...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I apologise for the technical problem—broadcasting is now back. As we lost the broadcast only for 30 seconds, I ask the cabinet secretary to pick up from whe...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I hope that I am at the right bit. Mr Wightman’s amendments would also mean that there would still be a potential disconnect between the charter as incorpor...
Andy Wightman Ind
Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on scrutiny of regulations under section 6(1). Amendment 6, in the name of Andy Wightman, is the only amendment in the group.
Andy Wightman Ind
Amendment 6 does two things. First, it refines the wording of section 6A(6), which is one of two subsections to section 6A that were added by Scottish Govern...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Amendment 6 is a technical amendment that will improve the language that is used in section 6A(6). The amendment also makes it clear that, if the Scottish mi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Does Mr Wightman wish to make any further comments?
Andy Wightman Ind
I have nothing to add, Presiding Officer. Amendment 6 agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
That ends consideration of amendments. As members will be aware, at this stage in proceedings, I am required under the standing orders to decide whether, in...