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Meeting of the Parliament (Virtual) 21 January 2021

21 Jan 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Chapman, Peter Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome the opportunity to close the debate for the Scottish Conservatives. I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a partner in a farming business.

As my Scottish Conservative colleagues have stated, we are generally supportive of the bill and recognise that livestock worrying by dogs is an increasing issue, to the point that it is becoming almost impossible to keep livestock in some fields near towns and villages. Official statistics show that there were more than 230 cases of dogs worrying livestock in the north-east in the past five years. However, we need to recognise that that is only the tip of the iceberg, because many incidents are not recorded.

It is important to highlight that any attacks on livestock do not just have a financial impact on livestock owners, serious though that can be. The emotional stress of witnessing an attack and the aftermath of the attack place a great mental strain on farmers, too. Therefore, there is an urgent need for the law on livestock worrying to be updated and strengthened. The current £1,000 fine, which is laid out in the 1953 act, is simply too low. The proposed increased fines and/or custodial sentences of up to 12 months better reflect the gravity of the offence and the impact that it has on farmers.

The implementation of disqualification orders to restrict the right of a person who is convicted of a livestock worrying offence from owning a dog, and their rights of access to agricultural land when accompanied by a dog, will help to reduce incidences of livestock worrying. However, some elements of disqualification orders are not clear. For example, how is banning a convicted person from bringing a dog on to agricultural land to be enforced? Some witnesses also wondered how we would decide what agricultural land is. Moreover, given the increase in the number of dog walking services, there are questions about where responsibility would lie if another person who was deemed to be fit and proper was in charge of a dog at the time of an attack.

A number of stakeholders have noted the importance of compensation for livestock keepers. I highlight that compensation is already available under the current legislation. The problem is that the existing compensation mechanisms are not widely known among livestock keepers, so an awareness campaign about existing compensation schemes is sorely needed.

Further clarity is also needed on the role of inspecting bodies and who they may be. Both the Scottish SPCA and local authorities have expressed reluctance to take on that role, citing a lack of resources, but they have stated that they would be happy to assist the police. In my view, there is no doubt that the police must retain overall responsibility for pursuing the crime.

There are also questions regarding the role of vets in examining a dog. Will the police be given authority to give consent or will that remain with the owner? Who would be responsible for covering the cost of a vet? The bill also contains proposals to grant the power of entry, search and seizure without a warrant when cases are being investigated. There is a lack of clarity around the practical use of that power, and it raises serious legal questions. I therefore believe, and the committee believes, that the power must be dropped.

In conclusion, the Scottish Conservatives are generally supportive of the bill and see why it is needed. However, some aspects need further clarification. We therefore call on Emma Harper to take note of the concerns that members on all sides of the chamber have raised and to work with the committee and the Government to improve the bill.

17:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23916, in the name of Emma Harper, on the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill at s...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to open today’s debate on the general principles of the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. The bill will update and str...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 16:22
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Before I begin, I would like to make a declaration of interests, in that I am a member of a family farming partnership. As convener of the Rural Economy and...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Ben Macpherson) SNP
I am pleased to have an opportunity to contribute to the debate, and I commend Emma Harper for her commitment and excellent work in bringing the bill to Parl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Will you come to a close, please?
Ben Macpherson SNP
Of course, Presiding Officer. I hope that the Parliament will welcome those changes as I believe that they will strengthen and improve the bill and they hav...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I remind members about my entry in the register of members’ interests as a partner in a farming business. I am also a member of NFU Scotland. I congratulate...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Labour will support the general principles of the bill. I thank Emma Harper for introducing it. Livestock worrying is a problem that should concern not only...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Members should be aware that speeches are starting to run over time a wee bit. John Finnie has three minutes. Interruption. Excuse me, Mr Finnie—there is a ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Emma Harper on getting the bill to this point. The Scottish Green Party will support the general principles of ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to see that our committee’s report on the bill is a unanimous one that recommends that Parliament agree to its general principles today. I, too,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. We are running a little short of time. All members who are speaking in the debate are likely to end up on gallery view shortly—pl...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I, too, am pleased to be taking part in this stage 1 debate to urge parliamentary colleagues to allow further consideration of the Dogs (Protection of Livest...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We seem to be having a few issues with connectivity. I will try Finlay Carson on audio only. We still seem to be having a problem with Finlay Carson, even i...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Emma Harper for bringing forward the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. Scottish Labour fully supports the Rural Economy and...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I declare that I am the joint owner of a very small registered agricultural holding that our neighbour Gordon, who is a farmer, puts sheep on from time to ti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
For the last of the open speeches we will try Mr Carson again. I know that you will all be disappointed if it is audio only, but we are trying that. Can we h...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Good afternoon, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Hello, Mr Carson. We can hear you fine.
Finlay Carson Con
As a former farmer, member of the NFUS and dog owner, I welcome the opportunity to speak in this stage 1 debate. I support in principle the aims of the bill,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to closing speeches. We are a wee bit behind time, so it would be useful if members were to apply brevity. 17:03
Colin Smyth Lab
This afternoon’s debate has set out clearly why the bill is needed, and I welcome the consensus that we have heard in support of the principles of the bill. ...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to close the debate for the Scottish Conservatives. I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I welcome the consensus on the amendments that the bill requires, and in particular on the merit of making the agreed changes to the 1953 act at this time. ...
Emma Harper SNP
I will pick up on a few points in closing, but first I thank all members for their contributions today. I also thank the members of the Rural Economy and Con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the stage 1 debate on the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill.