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Public Petitions Committee 24 March 2021

24 Mar 2021 · S5 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Continued Petitions
Polypropylene Mesh Medical Devices (PE1517)
We are getting a wee bit ahead of ourselves. All petitions come back to the Public Petitions Committee ahead of the end of a session. We get reports back from all the committees to which we have referred petitions. We are still responsible for them whether other committees have done work on them or closed them—we have information on whether they were closed. We cannot refer the petition to the Health and Sport Committee, because it is too late, and I do not think that we can define what we want the next health committee to do with it. If we refer the petition to it, it becomes that committee’s responsibility and it responds as it chooses. The main thing is that petitioners could come in with a new petition on questions around compensation and other issues that were not highlighted in the original petition. The petitioners can bring a new petition with a new focus if there is no progress on a petition and things look as if they have stalled. I think, however, that there is general recognition that work has been done on this petition. The downside of referring the petition to the next health committee is that we have no control over what it does with it. The upside is that that committee then has a specific focus on the work that has been done and on whether there is a need for an inquiry. We have to recognise that there are limits to that process, but that is balanced by the fact that the petitioners can lodge a new petition if they feel that there is a delay, a drag or other issues that they want to highlight, and that gives me comfort. At this stage, we cannot technically refer the petition to any committee, because nothing will be done; we can only make recommendations to the next petitions committee. Unless I am misreading the committee, we want to hold on to the petition, although we recognise, as Jackson Carlaw says, that eventually a petitions committee will have to let it go. However, there are outstanding issues that need to be addressed, and new issues have emerged that could be part of a new petition. We believe that the new health committee could focus on those outstanding issues, but obviously that is a matter for the new petitions committee to decide. 10:00 My feeling is that we should continue the petition, but make a recommendation in our legacy paper to the new petitions committee that the petition does not just sit but is referred to the new health committee. We also recognise that new issues might emerge in a new petition, and the context for that will be all the work that has already been done. I hope that members are content with that approach, if it is clear to them what I have suggested. All the things that have been said about the petition remain true: that this is a scandal, that there are huge issues, and that there are women who are living with pain daily and who have lost confidence in the system. That is the other reason why the petition should be held on to—because they do not have confidence to let it go. Whether it was the review or other issues, the system so far has let them down. We need to give them confidence that there will still be parliamentary scrutiny, while recognising that that does not necessarily have to be done through a petitions committee. The specific emerging issues that Neil Findlay and others have highlighted, including compensation and so on, might be part of a further petition at a later date. I think that we are agreed that we will continue the petition, and that we will put in our legacy paper commentary on where the petition might usefully go. We will also say to the petitioners, in relation to the specifics of issues that have emerged from the petition, that they might want to bring a further petition. Do members agree to that approach? Members indicated agreement.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
Item 2 is consideration of continued petitions. The first petition, PE1517, which was lodged by Elaine Holmes and Olive McIlroy on behalf of the Scottish Mes...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
Thank you, convener, for your engagement with the petition in the course of this parliamentary session. As this is the final day of the session, the final me...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the committee for allowing me to speak at the final meeting of the session of the Public Petitions Committee. Further to what Jackson Carla...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The work of the Public Petitions Committee has been hugely important and influential during the past eight years and I plead with the committee not to close ...
The Convener Lab
I thank all three of you, who will I am sure be living in happy coexistence post-election. For my part, I think that the petition is a huge issue. There are...
Gail Ross (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
I thank our family of campaigners, some of whom have joined us today, for all their work. I include Alex Neil in that as well. In relation to everything tha...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the petitioners for keeping going with this long-standing petition. It is immensely important that we get it resolved as soon as possible. John Scott...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
As someone who was on the Public Petitions Committee in the previous parliamentary session when the petition was first submitted, I thought that progress wou...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I agree with pretty much everything that has been said. These ladies have been let down for so long, and it is so important that we maintain the momentum to ...
The Convener Lab
Does any of our visiting colleagues wish to add anything?
John Scott Con
I am sorry; I do not appear to be able to make the chat function work. I agree with members that the petition should be passed to the next health committee....
Neil Findlay Lab
I thank everyone for their helpful comments. It is of course up to this committee to request that the next health committee takes on the petition and carries...
Gail Ross SNP
On Neil Findlay’s point, I had not really thought about that possibility previously. We would need to get advice but, if the petition goes from here to anoth...
The Convener Lab
We are getting a wee bit ahead of ourselves. All petitions come back to the Public Petitions Committee ahead of the end of a session. We get reports back fro...
The Convener Lab
I again thank our visiting MSPs. It has been an absolute privilege for me as a committee convener to welcome you to so many meetings. The work of the Public ...