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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill
Coffey, Willie SNP Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley Watch on SPTV

To say that the evidence that we heard during consideration of the bill was polarised is putting it mildly, and it is fair to say that committee members were more than a little disappointed with that. At the outset, the bill struggled to gain the support of the whole committee, but Mr Bibby’s persistence and his willingness to find a way forward at stage 2 gradually won that support. Of course, the Tories tried to sabotage the bill at stage 2 with hundreds of pointless amendments until they realised the mistake that they were making and gave up their attempt to talk the bill out of parliamentary time altogether.

Although the bill began its journey pre-Covid, it took on new significance as the impact on the tied sector and the wider pub sector became clearer during the pandemic. We can see the continuing impact simply by taking a walk along any of Scotland’s high streets. The pubs were the first premises to be closed, and they will probably be the last to reopen. We know that, sadly, many of them may not reopen at all.

Establishing a new pub code will allow the Scottish ministers to set out the circumstances in which a market-rent-only lease is offered. That will ensure that we get a balance between the rights of the pub-owning companies and their tenants, which I hope will be helpful. It will introduce consultation and engagement into the process, meaning that a tenant who is satisfied with their current lease arrangements will be under no obligation to accept market rent only. All of that should, hopefully, make for a stronger and more successful tenanted pub sector in Scotland.

The bill applies to the tied sector, which accounts for around 17 per cent of pubs, or 750 out of a total of about 4,000. The profile of tied pubs in Scotland is very different from that in Wales and England, but the bill offers some protections and increased opportunities for consultation, as the member in charge has continually reminded us.

At an earlier stage of the bill’s journey, research that the Government carried out did not appear to back the case for change. There were sufficient voices telling us about problems in the tied sector, principally involving the higher costs of beers and ciders and property maintenance issues. On the plus side, the tied model can offer a cheaper way into pub management for many, with the added benefits of including satellite TV and wi-fi, which might otherwise be too expensive for new entrants to pay for themselves.

The arrangements under the bill that will permit tenants to introduce a choice of at least one guest beer beyond the tied arrangement will surely be welcomed by everyone. However, I leave it to other members to give us a flavour of that and of other aspects of the bill.

I offer congratulations to Neil Bibby for taking the bill through; to our committee clerks for supporting us; and to the Scottish Government for showing a willingness to listen to the pleas from the sector and, ultimately, for supporting the bill.

18:51  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24271, in the name of Neil Bibby, on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. 18:19
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It gives me great pleasure to open today’s stage 3 debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. I lodged the draft proposal for this member’s bill more than four...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am very pleased to be speaking on behalf of the Government in this final debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. Of course, as I have been at pains to emp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I remind members at the back of the chamber that their voices carry. 18:30
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We are near the end of the parliamentary session—we have only a day to go—and all of us have been clearing out our offices to get them ready for the next occ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Neil Bibby and his team for the tremendous amount of work that they have done to get the bill to this stage. I hope that the bill will be pass...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Probably more than ever before, we know through the pandemic the value of pubs as community assets that play a social role and as major employers that showca...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
If the minister is going to deny that he was charmed, I want to hear from him.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will leave others to consider the charm or otherwise of Mr Bibby. I put on the record that at no stage did I state any opposition to the legislation.
Willie Rennie LD
He was charmed even before he knew he was! That is an incredible admission. Neil Bibby’s powers know no bounds. It is true that the profile of the sector in...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I add my sincere congratulations to Neil Bibby, not just on introducing the bill and steering it through but on doing the work of building consensus to get t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
To say that the evidence that we heard during consideration of the bill was polarised is putting it mildly, and it is fair to say that committee members were...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate my Labour colleague Neil Bibby on getting the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I recognise all the hard work that he has put in to ...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I thank Neil Bibby for introducing the bill and for his open engagement throughout the whole process. The bill was not easy for the Economy, Energy and Fair ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Neil Bibby on securing the passage of his member’s bill on tied pubs later this evening. As many have recounted, it ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Margaret Mitchell, who is making her final speech as a member of the Parliament. 19:02
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage. The...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank those who have contributed to the debate, which has been something of a revelation. I was interested to see that both Graham Simpson and Patrick Harv...
Neil Bibby Lab
I thank all members who have participated in the debate. I pay tribute to Margaret Mitchell, who just made her final speech. She was a particular help to my...