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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill

I add my sincere congratulations to Neil Bibby, not just on introducing the bill and steering it through but on doing the work of building consensus to get the bill to the point of being passed—and it will certainly pass with the support of the Green group of MSPs.

I declare, from my entry in the register of members’ interests, not only my membership of the cross-party group on beer and pubs, which has no collective view on the bill, but my membership of CAMRA, the Campaign for Real Ale. Neil Bibby is one of a relatively select few MSPs I have had the pleasure of bumping into at CAMRA beer festivals from time to time over the years.

As CAMRA’s evidence states, the pub companies take a share of profit from tied tenants that is more than fair and more than sustainable, and that often leaves tenants unable to earn a decent living. The way in which tenants are being expected to pay over the odds for the beer that they sell is clearly unfair. Even if some of them find the tied-pub model agreeable and might choose to stick with it, they should have the choice, and the bill will give them that choice.

Over the years, I have been privileged to host a number of events in Parliament with CAMRA and others in the Scottish brewing community. This is an important opportunity to say that although, when we debate alcohol, we often debate the social and health harm—issues that do not need to be downplayed at all—we should also find opportunities to celebrate what is positive about a more diverse, decentralised model of pubs and brewing. The domination of a small number of giant companies is itself unhealthy, and it is a model that compounds the public health harm that comes from alcohol. A more diverse brewing sector and a more diverse pub sector, with a greater number of smaller independent companies, would offer a healthier way forward, in my view, and the bill will be one measure that helps to achieve that.

Over the past year, as I have spoken both in Parliament and at other meetings from this little corner of my living room, I have occasionally been teased about the fact that I keep my refreshments close at hand. In a few parliamentary debates, that has been necessary. Today, I have made a slight change, so that members can all see that my taste covers the grain as well as the grape. If I regret anything about today’s debate, it is that I will not have the opportunity to buy Neil Bibby a pint in the Parliament bar after the end, to celebrate our passing his bill. If I could think of nothing better, I would give him a chance to try Hoptimistic Future, which was specially brewed for the Green yes campaign back in 2014. After a few years, however, it is probably not safe to open this bottle here, but perhaps I will get the chance to buy Neil a beer when we all return.

18:47  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24271, in the name of Neil Bibby, on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. 18:19
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It gives me great pleasure to open today’s stage 3 debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. I lodged the draft proposal for this member’s bill more than four...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am very pleased to be speaking on behalf of the Government in this final debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. Of course, as I have been at pains to emp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I remind members at the back of the chamber that their voices carry. 18:30
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We are near the end of the parliamentary session—we have only a day to go—and all of us have been clearing out our offices to get them ready for the next occ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Neil Bibby and his team for the tremendous amount of work that they have done to get the bill to this stage. I hope that the bill will be pass...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Probably more than ever before, we know through the pandemic the value of pubs as community assets that play a social role and as major employers that showca...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
If the minister is going to deny that he was charmed, I want to hear from him.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will leave others to consider the charm or otherwise of Mr Bibby. I put on the record that at no stage did I state any opposition to the legislation.
Willie Rennie LD
He was charmed even before he knew he was! That is an incredible admission. Neil Bibby’s powers know no bounds. It is true that the profile of the sector in...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I add my sincere congratulations to Neil Bibby, not just on introducing the bill and steering it through but on doing the work of building consensus to get t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
To say that the evidence that we heard during consideration of the bill was polarised is putting it mildly, and it is fair to say that committee members were...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate my Labour colleague Neil Bibby on getting the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I recognise all the hard work that he has put in to ...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I thank Neil Bibby for introducing the bill and for his open engagement throughout the whole process. The bill was not easy for the Economy, Energy and Fair ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Neil Bibby on securing the passage of his member’s bill on tied pubs later this evening. As many have recounted, it ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Margaret Mitchell, who is making her final speech as a member of the Parliament. 19:02
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage. The...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank those who have contributed to the debate, which has been something of a revelation. I was interested to see that both Graham Simpson and Patrick Harv...
Neil Bibby Lab
I thank all members who have participated in the debate. I pay tribute to Margaret Mitchell, who just made her final speech. She was a particular help to my...