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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill
Rowley, Alex Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Neil Bibby and his team for the tremendous amount of work that they have done to get the bill to this stage. I hope that the bill will be passed this evening. I also thank the minister for the positive approach that he has taken, which was evident at stage 2, when the bill came to the committee.

I will focus on the letter that the Scottish Licensed Trade Association sent to all MSPs today. It makes the following points, which are worth restating.

“For too long, large pub-owning companies have taken more than their fair share from publicans. Too often they have held their tied tenants back, restricted consumer choice and failed to properly regulate themselves and keep their house in order. They have put their own profits before the sustainability of local pubs and fairness for tied pub tenants. It cannot go on.”

It continues:

“The Tied Pubs Bill delivers a fairer deal for tied publicans, with a new statutory Pubs Code. It would rebalance tied agreements, shifting power from the large pubcos to the local pubs who desperately need your help. It allows tenants to opt-out of tied deals that aren’t working. It will give publicans more choice over the drinks they stock to help meet consumer demand, promote Scottish products and sustain their business. The Tied Pubs Bill will also be very positive for Scotland’s small brewers, who at the moment are restricted from access to pubs owned by the big brewers and pubcos operating the tie.

The fact that global brewers and pubcos are so desperate to stop this Bill exposes the fact that they take too much from pub profits. The reality is that the Market Rent Only option is just that, an option and if they want to keep publicans tied, they need to offer much better deals, lower prices and lower rents. That’s all the Bill calls for – fairness and a fair split of pub profits, which all MSPs must surely agree with.”

The letter also makes the point that,

“In England, pubcos have continued to invest in pubs, despite the Pubs Code and if they want to continue to own and operate pubs, they will do the same in Scotland.”

I will also refer to the survey that the SLTA carried out, as the key data points in that survey are quite stark. They show that 50 per cent of tied pub tenants report earning less than £20,000 a year, with 34 per cent earning less than £15,000 a year. In many cases, those amounts are for a couple, not for an individual. A shocking 58 per cent of tied pub tenants reported earning less than the minimum wage, with just 13 per cent earning more than the minimum wage. The average price paid for a keg of standard lager by tied pubs is a staggering 61 per cent higher than the open market price, with some paying as much as 107 per cent more than would be paid on the open market. It is also reported that 81 per cent say that the information that was provided to them when they entered the lease was inaccurate or misleading.

That demonstrates why there was a need for the bill. I congratulate Neil Bibby once again on bringing the bill to Parliament, and I hope that everyone will support it at decision time.

18:40  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24271, in the name of Neil Bibby, on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. 18:19
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It gives me great pleasure to open today’s stage 3 debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. I lodged the draft proposal for this member’s bill more than four...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am very pleased to be speaking on behalf of the Government in this final debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. Of course, as I have been at pains to emp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I remind members at the back of the chamber that their voices carry. 18:30
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We are near the end of the parliamentary session—we have only a day to go—and all of us have been clearing out our offices to get them ready for the next occ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Neil Bibby and his team for the tremendous amount of work that they have done to get the bill to this stage. I hope that the bill will be pass...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Probably more than ever before, we know through the pandemic the value of pubs as community assets that play a social role and as major employers that showca...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
If the minister is going to deny that he was charmed, I want to hear from him.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will leave others to consider the charm or otherwise of Mr Bibby. I put on the record that at no stage did I state any opposition to the legislation.
Willie Rennie LD
He was charmed even before he knew he was! That is an incredible admission. Neil Bibby’s powers know no bounds. It is true that the profile of the sector in...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I add my sincere congratulations to Neil Bibby, not just on introducing the bill and steering it through but on doing the work of building consensus to get t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
To say that the evidence that we heard during consideration of the bill was polarised is putting it mildly, and it is fair to say that committee members were...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate my Labour colleague Neil Bibby on getting the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I recognise all the hard work that he has put in to ...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I thank Neil Bibby for introducing the bill and for his open engagement throughout the whole process. The bill was not easy for the Economy, Energy and Fair ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Neil Bibby on securing the passage of his member’s bill on tied pubs later this evening. As many have recounted, it ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Margaret Mitchell, who is making her final speech as a member of the Parliament. 19:02
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage. The...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank those who have contributed to the debate, which has been something of a revelation. I was interested to see that both Graham Simpson and Patrick Harv...
Neil Bibby Lab
I thank all members who have participated in the debate. I pay tribute to Margaret Mitchell, who just made her final speech. She was a particular help to my...