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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

I welcome the amendments in this group, which concern a part of the bill that is crucial to landlords and tenants. It is clear that that remains the case from the discussions that I have had with stakeholders since stage 2, so it is right that we are able to debate the issue this evening.

It is important that the market-rent-only provisions are fair for both landlords and tenants. That is why I lodged amendments at stage 2 to allow the Scottish ministers to set out in the code the circumstances in which a market-rent-only lease may not be offered. The development of the code will, of course, be subject to consultation but, as I have said, my strong inclination is that investment should be one of those circumstances. I want to reassure pub-owning companies that Scotland is open for business and welcomes investment in Scottish tied pubs. I want pub-owning companies to have confidence and to continue to invest in this important sector.

My amendment 9 will provide assurance to the sector that the Scottish Government is committed to protecting the position of pub companies with regard to investment. The amendment strengthens my stage 2 amendments on MRO leases and reflects the conversations that I have had with stakeholders—landlords, tenants and, of course, Mr Bibby—about this element of the bill. I believe that amendment 9 has strong support and will improve the balance of the bill.

My stage 2 amendment deliberately included the word “may”, before specifying the circumstances in which an MRO lease may not be offered. It provides flexibility in relation to when an MRO lease has to be offered. The default position remains that a pub-owning business will be required to offer an MRO lease.

Amendment 13 would make it a requirement for the code to set out the circumstances in which an MRO lease need not be offered. In my view, that would go too far and would remove the flexibility that the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee endorsed by supporting my stage 2 amendment. Although I welcome the fact that Mr Simpson has acknowledged and incorporated the wording of amendment 9 in relation to investment, I do not think that amendment 13 is necessary. Amendments 8 and 12 are consequential to amendment 13.

I do not support Mr Simpson’s amendments. I ask members to support my amendment 9.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We move to stage 3 proceedings on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at stage 2, the mars...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
Amendment 2 aims to ensure the operation of an effective statutory arbitration scheme. I am concerned that the scheme as proposed in the bill is not governed...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
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Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests and the support that I have received in relation to the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. At the o...
Andy Wightman Ind
I thank the minister and the member in charge of the bill for their comments, and I note the points that they have raised. I acknowledge that perhaps the iss...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Neil Bibby Lab
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Neil Bibby Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Neil Bibby Lab
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Graham Simpson Con
I have nothing further to add. On the basis of what has been said, I will not press amendment 4. Amendment 4, by agreement, withdrawn. Amendments 5 and 6 n...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Graham Simpson Con
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Neil Bibby Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Simpson, do you wish to press or to withdraw amendment 12?
Graham Simpson Con
I wish to withdraw it. Amendment 12, by agreement, withdrawn. Amendments 13 and 8 not moved. Amendment 9 moved—Jamie Hepburn—and agreed to. Schedule 2—Sc...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Neil Bibby Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Minister, do you wish to add anything?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will briefly commend Mr Bibby’s eagle-eyed nature and urge members to support the amendment. Amendment 1 agreed to. Amendment 10 not moved.
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Andy Wightman Ind
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Neil Bibby Lab
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Andy Wightman Ind
I note the comments from the minister and Mr Bibby and I will not press the amendment. Amendment 11, by agreement, withdrawn.