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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests and the support that I have received in relation to the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. At the outset, I thank Andy Wightman for his interest in the bill and his contribution as a member of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee. I congratulate him on progressing his own bill to stage 3 today.

Section 14(2) of the bill confirms that arbitration proceedings under the bill must be conducted in line with the rules of the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators or any other dispute resolution body nominated by the arbitrator. The purpose is to ensure that arbitrations are conducted in accordance with recognised sectoral rules and guidelines. However, amendment 2 would leave out that subsection entirely and would instead provide that, until the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010 is in force for any arbitration being carried out under section 14(1), the act is to be treated as applying as though it were in force for that arbitration.

I have concerns about the construction of the amendment. For example, it would leave out all of section 14(2) instead of seeking to add a further provision to those already included. I also think that there is a risk in seeking to put what the amendment proposes into the bill when ministers have up to two years in which to make the code and appoint an adjudicator. Could we be sure that what was agreed now would be fit for purpose by the time the code and adjudicator were in place? The 2010 act’s statutory arbitration provisions might be in force by the time the bill became operational law, in a couple of years, leaving the approach in amendment 2 unnecessary.

Like the minister, I think that it would be better not to agree to the amendment today. If, when the time comes, the Scottish Government feels that the bill needs to be linked to the 2010 act more effectively, it can use the power that is already in the bill to make ancillary regulations. I therefore ask Andy Wightman not to press amendment 2.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We move to stage 3 proceedings on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at stage 2, the mars...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the application of the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010 in relation to section 14. Amendment 2, in the name of Andy Wightman, is the only amendm...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
Amendment 2 aims to ensure the operation of an effective statutory arbitration scheme. I am concerned that the scheme as proposed in the bill is not governed...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Let me briefly say how far we have come with the bill. At stage 2, more than 300 amendments were lodged, whereas at stage 3 we have 13 amendments to consider...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests and the support that I have received in relation to the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. At the o...
Andy Wightman Ind
I thank the minister and the member in charge of the bill for their comments, and I note the points that they have raised. I acknowledge that perhaps the iss...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on investigation into changes to pub leasing arrangements before the act is fully in force. Amendment 3, in the name of Neil Bibby, is grouped wit...
Neil Bibby Lab
I have lodged these amendments to allow the adjudicator to tackle an issue that has been of concern to the industry and to me for some time, which has taken ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I recognise and understand Mr Bibby’s worries about possible avoidance behaviour by pub-owning companies in the period before the code comes into effect. Tha...
Neil Bibby Lab
After lodging my proposal for the bill, I received numerous reports that pub companies would seek to avoid a statutory code by adjusting their operating mode...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 3 is on the Scottish pubs code and a requirement to offer a guest beer agreement provided that the beer is produced by a small brewery. Amendment 4, in...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
These amendments would ensure that the guest beer provision could be used only by a small brewer and not by a larger multinational brewer, which would alread...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The guest beer provisions were the subject of considerable discussion at stage 2, when a number of similar amendments were lodged, voted on and defeated. I m...
Neil Bibby Lab
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Graham Simpson Con
I have nothing further to add. On the basis of what has been said, I will not press amendment 4. Amendment 4, by agreement, withdrawn. Amendments 5 and 6 n...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 4 is on the Scottish pubs code and the requirement to offer a market-rent-only lease. Amendment 12, in the name of Graham Simpson, is grouped with amen...
Graham Simpson Con
My amendments 12, 13 and 8 aim to provide clarity for pub-owning businesses and tied pub tenants, who have all raised concerns about the impact on investment...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I welcome the amendments in this group, which concern a part of the bill that is crucial to landlords and tenants. It is clear that that remains the case fro...
Neil Bibby Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Simpson, do you wish to press or to withdraw amendment 12?
Graham Simpson Con
I wish to withdraw it. Amendment 12, by agreement, withdrawn. Amendments 13 and 8 not moved. Amendment 9 moved—Jamie Hepburn—and agreed to. Schedule 2—Sc...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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Neil Bibby Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Minister, do you wish to add anything?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will briefly commend Mr Bibby’s eagle-eyed nature and urge members to support the amendment. Amendment 1 agreed to. Amendment 10 not moved.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 6 is on the Scottish pubs code adjudicator and assistance from the Scottish ministers. Amendment 11, in the name of Andy Wightman, is the only amendmen...
Andy Wightman Ind
Amendment 11 relates to the staffing of the new adjudicator. It would allow for the Scottish ministers to “ensure the provision of” staff in respect of the a...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The amendment concerns the powers for the Scottish ministers to provide assistance to the adjudicator, including for staff, services or facilities, with or w...
Neil Bibby Lab
Amendment 11 seems to be aimed at ensuring that the Scottish ministers can help to contract services with other bodies to provide support to the adjudicator....
Andy Wightman Ind
I note the comments from the minister and Mr Bibby and I will not press the amendment. Amendment 11, by agreement, withdrawn.