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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill
Rowley, Alex Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

First, I acknowledge and congratulate Andy Wightman on introducing this member’s bill and getting it to this stage. I hope that it will be passed today. I also acknowledge the role of the cabinet secretary and the Government in working with Mr Wightman. I know that the Government has worked with the members on the two members’ bills that we are considering today to ensure that we get the legislation through, which is good.

The bill is important, because it places a duty on the Scottish Government to act compatibly with the charter and to promote local self-government. If enacted, it should protect councils from centralisation and unfair cuts or central control over their finances. I listened to Keith Brown earlier, and I think that he needs to come out of denial. The fact is that we have seen a centralisation under different political parties since the establishment of the Parliament, which is not right. We need to consider how to get power further down, rather than centralising it. Mr Brown should wake up to the fact that every party that has had power here has tended to centralise local government.

Scottish Labour fully supports the bill. Power has been centralised in Edinburgh for far too long and the incorporation of the charter will lead to a reinvigoration of the role of local government in Scottish public life. I also noticed the comments from Annie Wells, and the example that she gave about the centralisation of planning was a poor one. With the Planning (Scotland) Bill, the Tories had the opportunity to give more power to the people and they voted against it, so there is no point in their coming here today and pretending that they are suddenly interested in giving communities planning powers or a greater say in planning.

There has been a creeping dilution of the power of local authorities over the past half century, which means that decisions on services that affect people’s daily lives—on things such as housing, planning, economic development, education, caring for people, water and sewage, and environmental protection—are taken further and further away from locally elected people. Councils have become administrators of central Government policy rather than drivers of local initiatives. I was lucky enough and proud to be elected as a local councillor, and I know from my years of experience in local government that that is the area in which you can make such a big difference, when you have the resources and engage with local communities. That is true across Scotland’s 32 local authorities—you can find good and best practice in every one.

If we want to tackle poverty and some of the social ills in our community, we will not do so simply by bringing in policy here; we will do so by empowering local authorities to do their job and by encouraging local officials in councils to be innovative, consider the issues on the ground and come up with local solutions to local problems. If we are serious about tackling the big issues in communities across Scotland, we cannot do it from this Parliament alone, but we can do so by empowering local government. Labour will support the bill, which is a welcome step on the way to empowering local authorities.

17:30  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24238, in the name of Andy Wightman, on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Sc...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. First, I thank all those who have...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
It is a great privilege to speak on behalf of the Government in the concluding moments of the process that I hope will see us pass this important bill. Thi...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I wish Aileen Campbell all the best in her future endeavours. We have definitely had a good relationship in the Parliament, particularly when we have seen ey...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I do not want to interrupt members’ speeches, but everybody is going over their time, and we cannot have that. I ask members to keep to their time from now o...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Andy Wightman on his member’s bill reaching stage 3. It is a good bill to end the parliamentary session with. Andy Wightman has made a dry sub...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call Liam McArthur to open for the Liberal Democrats. We do not have Mr McArthur at the moment, so I call on Patrick Harvie to open for the Green Party.
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Presiding Officer, I had not requested to speak in this debate and was not expecting to.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is breaking news. You are relieved of that, Mr Harvie. Do we now have Mr McArthur? 17:08
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Are you supposed to be speaking?
Liam McArthur LD
I certainly am.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is good. That is breaking good news. Off you go, Mr McArthur.
Liam McArthur LD
I start by wishing Aileen Campbell all the very best. We both came into Parliament in 2007 and she has been good company and an effective minister since then...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with three minute speeches. Keith Brown is to be followed by Tom Mason, although the three minutes does not apply to Mr Mason. He...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Andy Wightman introduced the bill to Parliament less than a year ago and I, too, congratulate him on bringing it to this important and historic stage. Howeve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call Tom Mason, to be followed by James Dornan. This is Mr Mason’s final speech in the Parliament. 17:16
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I remind colleagues for the last time that I am a councillor of Aberdeen City. Before re-entering active politics in 2016, I spent many years lecturing on ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I do not know what to say about the three little pigs, but there we are. 17:22
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I wish—Inaudible—for the future, and hope that the three pigs story was not about something that he saw somewhere up in the north of Scotland. Before I start—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Just a wee minute, Mr Dornan. Can you get a wee bit closer to your microphone, so that we can hear your dulcet tones?
James Dornan SNP
I cannot believe that you would want to miss them, Presiding Officer. Can you hear me all right?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is better—thank you.
James Dornan SNP
I wished Tom Mason all the best, and I do the same for the cabinet secretary. Aileen Campbell and I go back to the good old days of the SNP Glasgow regional ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
First, I acknowledge and congratulate Andy Wightman on introducing this member’s bill and getting it to this stage. I hope that it will be passed today. I al...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to close the debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill for the Conservatives. Local democracy i...
Aileen Campbell SNP
This is not my final speech in Parliament, but I really appreciate the messages that I have had from members during the course of the debate. I have a member...
Andy Wightman Ind
I thank all members who have spoken in the debate. I echo the cabinet secretary’s thanks to COSLA, which, as I said in my opening remarks, has been championi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have been warned, Mr Wightman. That concludes the debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. It is time to m...