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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I hope that I am at the right bit.

Mr Wightman’s amendments would also mean that there would still be a potential disconnect between the charter as incorporated by the bill and the charter as it exists as an international treaty and a set of international obligations to which Scotland, as part of the UK, is subject. Under Mr Wightman’s proposals, Scotland would potentially remain subject to both the charter as incorporated by the bill and the charter as it exists as an international treaty, although only the charter as incorporated by the bill would be legally enforceable at domestic level. That could cause confusion for ministers, local authorities and the courts. It is important to ensure that the legislation is clear and that there is no confusion as to how it might be used and interpreted in the future. Behind all of that, there is still a risk that the secretary of state could deploy his power under section 35 of the Scotland Act 1998 to prevent the bill from being submitted for royal assent.

Section 1(2A), as amended by amendment 3, is also consistent with the position adopted in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill and other pieces of legislation. I am aware that Andy Wightman does not agree with our assessment of the position. I reassure him that such was our sympathy with his amendments that we fully explored the possibilities. However, we cannot see a way to support the purpose of his amendments without legal risk. Therefore, I ask members to agree to amendment 3, in my name, and not to agree to amendments 1, 2, 4 and 5, in the name of Andy Wightman.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amend...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the meaning and interpretation of the charter articles. Amendment 1, in the name of Andy Wightman, is grouped with amendments 2 to 5. I remind ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I should say in advance that I will take a little time in speaking to the amendments in group 1 because, although they are relatively minor in certain ways, ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
Amendment 3, in my name, is necessary to clarify the effect of section 1(2A). It will extend subsection (2A) to require the charter articles to be read subje...
The Presiding Officer NPA
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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Aileen Campbell SNP
I hope that I am at the right bit. Mr Wightman’s amendments would also mean that there would still be a potential disconnect between the charter as incorpor...
Andy Wightman Ind
Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on scrutiny of regulations under section 6(1). Amendment 6, in the name of Andy Wightman, is the only amendment in the group.
Andy Wightman Ind
Amendment 6 does two things. First, it refines the wording of section 6A(6), which is one of two subsections to section 6A that were added by Scottish Govern...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Amendment 6 is a technical amendment that will improve the language that is used in section 6A(6). The amendment also makes it clear that, if the Scottish mi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Does Mr Wightman wish to make any further comments?
Andy Wightman Ind
I have nothing to add, Presiding Officer. Amendment 6 agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
That ends consideration of amendments. As members will be aware, at this stage in proceedings, I am required under the standing orders to decide whether, in...