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Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee 18 March 2021

18 Mar 2021 · S5 · Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee
Item of business
Section 22 Report
“The 2019/20 audit of Scottish Water”
Dame Susan Rice (Scottish Water and Scottish Water Business Stream) Watch on SPTV
Good morning, convener and members. Thank you for inviting us to give evidence. We value the committee’s scrutiny, the Auditor General’s report and the overall audit process. The year 2020 and the effects of Covid-19 were not something that anyone, including the Scottish Water group, could have fully envisaged or planned for. Within Scottish Water, our main focus has been to keep water and waste water services flowing across the country for our customers and to do that in a safe and compliant way to protect staff and customers. At the same time, we have continued to deliver our crucial capital investment programme in line with all Scottish Government guidelines. Business Stream, which has also managed its operation activities well, acted quickly to go the extra mile to support those of its customers who were most affected by the pandemic. That help continues and will be required for many more months as the full economic effects continue to be felt. Business Stream believes that it is imperative to do what it can to assist its hardest-hit customers. As you will know from the previous evidence session, on 28 January, Business Stream is a company in the Scottish Water group, but in regulatory terms it is separate from Scottish Water. It provides water and waste water services to businesses, to the public sector and to not-for-profit customers. It does that in the regulated, competitive non-household retail markets in Scotland and England. It has its own board with independent directors, which I chair. It is funded and subject to Scottish Water group governance through its immediate parent company, Scottish Water Business Stream Holdings. Business Stream is one of the United Kingdom’s largest and most successful licensed water retailers, and its good reputation for quality and service has enabled it to grow significantly as the market has evolved. It works closely with business customers in all sectors, creating long-term relationships as it delivers value in a highly competitive market. It has also delivered positive cash returns for Scottish Water Business Stream Holdings—its parent company. Throughout the pandemic, Business Stream has provided a wide range of measures to help to alleviate the financial pressures on its customers. Therefore, as a direct consequence of Covid, Business Stream has seen an impact on its cash flow and profits, which we understand is similar to what other licensed water retailers have seen. Business Stream has developed financial forecasts for possible future scenarios, to predict what measures might be needed as the economic effects of the pandemic play out. There is no certainty that additional financial support will be required, but it is important to ensure that the right measures are in place, if needed. After careful consideration, including robust assessments and advice from external financial and legal experts, and in consultation with the Scottish Government and the WICS—the Water Industry Commission for Scotland—it was agreed that the parent company and its holdings should make a necessary Covid funding facility available to support Business Stream in these extreme circumstances, if and when required, with any borrowings to be repaid within a five-year period. At this time, Business Stream has not drawn down any of that funding and has no immediate plans to do so. No borrowing from the Scottish Government will be needed, because any moneys will come from overall Scottish Water group cash balances achieved by outperforming financial targets set out in the regulatory plan for the past six years. If that facility was used, there would be no effect at all on domestic customer charges or on Scottish Water’s capital programme activities. It has been an extremely challenging period for many organisations, and we have not been immune. However, I am confident that the support that is in place offers the best possible route for ensuring that Business Stream and its business customers continue to thrive in the future, which I hope and trust you will agree is the outcome that we all want.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
Agenda item 2 is consideration of the section 22 report “The 2019/20 audit of Scottish Water”. I welcome our witnesses: Dame Susan Rice, chair of Scottish Wa...
Dame Susan Rice (Scottish Water and Scottish Water Business Stream)
Good morning, convener and members. Thank you for inviting us to give evidence. We value the committee’s scrutiny, the Auditor General’s report and the overa...
The Convener Lab
Thank you for that introduction, Dame Susan. Colin Beattie will begin the questioning.
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I want to look at Scottish Water’s business acquisition strategy. According to the report, Business Stream purchased the non-household customer book of Yorks...
The Convener Lab
We will direct all questions to Dame Susan, and she will bring in her colleagues as appropriate.
Dame Susan Rice
We had very clear reasons for making those acquisitions. Jo Dow can explain those to you.
Johanna Dow (Scottish Water Business Stream)
We entered the English market with the full support of all our stakeholders, and it was very much necessitated by a desire to protect our Scottish customer b...
Colin Beattie SNP
You touched on the need to protect your Scottish base. How volatile do you consider your customer base to be?
Johanna Dow
We operate in a competitive environment and our customers can choose to switch to another retailer if they are not content with the service or the price that...
Colin Beattie SNP
What percentage is the attrition rate?
Johanna Dow
The UK average is about 4 per cent a year, and our figure is 3.1 per cent.
Colin Beattie SNP
Given the fact that you have taken on those acquisitions, what has been the effect of Covid-19? Has it had any impact on the quality of the assets or on the ...
Johanna Dow
All our customers, the length and breadth of the UK, have been impacted by Covid to some extent. Most impacted is our small and medium-sized enterprise custo...
Colin Beattie SNP
I have one last question. You have the contract for supplying water services to the Scottish public sector. Does that increase your financial resilience, and...
Johanna Dow
It impacts our financial resilience in the sense that it provides a positive contribution to our profitability. It has another impact in that, as you know, t...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
I have a simple question about Business Stream for Dame Susan and her team. We have our own regulator in Scotland that regulates Scottish Water and its subsi...
Dame Susan Rice
That is a good question. I will ask Johanna Dow to give you some of the detail. There are 27 or 28—the numbers move around a little bit—retail providers, so...
Johanna Dow
I am in the really fortunate position of being regulated by two organisations—one, as you say, based in Scotland and one based in England. We are regulated b...
Alex Neil SNP
On Scottish Water’s decision to make the facility to borrow from it available to Business Stream if money was needed as a result of the Covid crisis, did Sco...
Johanna Dow
Yes, we did, and the approval process for that took many months. The WICS was actively engaged throughout, and it had ultimate approval at the end of the pro...
Alex Neil SNP
I will move on to the Scottish market. I am stepping down next month, but I have been an MSP for 22 years. In that time, I have had very few complaints about...
Johanna Dow
The level of customer satisfaction within the entirety of our customer base is high: it is currently sitting at just under 90 per cent. It is measured using ...
Alex Neil SNP
That is good news. However, there is a 10 per cent gap in satisfaction between the smaller companies and, I presume, the larger companies. Is it one of your ...
Johanna Dow
It is. At the moment, the gap is 9 per cent. There will always be a gap because one of the things that influences that score is whether a customer has had re...
Alex Neil SNP
Thank you. I go back to Dame Susan on the completely different subject of remuneration within Scottish Water. I do not want to talk about individuals or anyt...
Dame Susan Rice
Yes, I can. It is a helpful question; let me see whether I can give an answer that explains it. I will come at it from two directions. First, Scottish Water ...
Alex Neil SNP
The chief executive of NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde is paid less than 50 per cent of the total remuneration package of the chief executive of Scottish Water...
Dame Susan Rice
As I said before, I do not know the NHS in detail, so it is hard for me to respond specifically to that example. However, I would say that what Scottish Wate...
Alex Neil SNP
I would say the health service—
Dame Susan Rice
Excuse me. I would say that the work that the business does—