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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 18 March 2021

18 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Drug Deaths and Harms

I start by acknowledging the contributions of the three colleagues who will be leaving Parliament after this session. Maureen Watt and I share a love of Malawi, and I have very much enjoyed working with her in developing the relationship that the Parliament and Scotland as a whole have with the warm heart of Africa. I recall that she and I were part of the same delegation, headed up by our former colleague Karen Gillon, that was sent to Malawi. We spent some time instructing classes in Minga school, just outside Lilongwe, although I am reassured that educational attainment in those classes has gone up since we departed the scene. I wish Maureen Watt all the very best.

Neil Findlay gave a characteristically uncompromising valedictory speech, but it was shot through with insight and was deeply emotional. As he did, I acknowledge the contribution that the Daily Record has made, particularly in pushing the case for decriminalisation. We should not underestimate the significance of that contribution.

Neil Findlay may be leaving this building, but he has certainly left a lasting impression on me. I still bear the scars from his football boots in my knee, after a typically uncompromising take-man-and-ball effort as the goalkeeper of the Scottish Parliament team, as we defeated the MPs at Parkhead. I wish that, at that stage, he had kept his feet on the bloody ground—apologies for that unparliamentary language, Presiding Officer.

I am looking forward to hearing Jenny Marra’s speech—I had rather hoped that I would have heard it before now. She has spoken with authority on pretty much any issue, but particularly on drugs and the drug deaths scandal. Through her passion, insight and tenacity, she has done as much as anybody to push this agenda forward, and I very much thank her for that. In fact, I even forgive her for beating me hollow to the community MSP of the year award, which she rightly walked off with at the awards a few years ago. I wish her well in whatever comes next for her.

This has been a very different debate. I know that we usually sum up such debates by saying that the debate has been very interesting, helpful and constructive, but I think that today’s debate genuinely has been. The tone and tenor of the debate has been very different from that of some debates that we have had in the past. Part of that is to do with the candour. There has been candour from the Government, whose motion does not pull any punches and is expressed in a way that we would not have seen a few years ago. The fact that the motion is expressed as such is very welcome.

The minister opened the debate by talking about Scotland’s national shame, James Kelly talked about the failure of devolution and Donald Cameron talked about a collective shame. That speaks to the significance of the issues that are under discussion today, and we find ourselves in a much better place than we have been in previous debates.

Donald Cameron was also right in acknowledging Angela Constance’s approach. When I worked with her on the education brief, we might not have always agreed, but I always found her approachable and willing to collaborate and explore the ideas that I brought to her. That is absolutely the approach that needs to be taken in relation to our drug deaths crisis. She talked about building on the lived and living experience in the panels that will instruct policy, and that is welcome, although Neil Findlay made the telling point again that those voices need to challenge as well. I am sure that that will be the case.

We should not mistake accepting that what has been done today is not good enough for saying that nothing that has been done until now is of value. As we look ahead to what we need to do more radically, we need to identify the stuff that works and needs to be preserved. As Donald Cameron suggested, we need to be more broad minded. In that sense, Peter Krykant’s brave work has shown what is really possible when we move beyond rigid assumptions of what we can and cannot do. James Kelly and—to her credit—Ruth Maguire made the essential point that we absolutely need to move beyond the debate about the constitution.

I welcomed Angela Constance’s reference to ensuring that there are no barriers, or low barriers, to treatment and that what is needed will be provided where it is needed. I commend Jenny Marra for making the point that, although we can all welcome the plan that has been set out, because it takes us far beyond where we have been—“light years away” from where we are now, she suggested—we need to ensure that we are able to deliver that plan, not just through statutory services but across the third sector. I also welcome the self-evident acknowledgement of the need to integrate mental health in addiction services.

I welcome the additional funding—over and above the £20 million for rehab—for addressing the problem that The Ferret deserves credit for its perseverance in profiling and highlighting, which is the impossible choice that some face between retaining their tenancy and accessing the treatment that they need. That situation was wholly unacceptable and I welcome the Government’s acknowledgment of it and the funding that it provided for it. I also acknowledge Miles Briggs’s reference to the work of Norman Stone. Neuroelectric therapy is one of those ideas that I hope will now be given proper consideration as part of the strategy.

As I said in my opening remarks, it is for the incoming Government to identify and agree its agenda, but a statement in favour of decriminalisation from the outgoing Parliament will be difficult to ignore, particularly if it is adopted unanimously. Neil Findlay is right—Scotland’s drug deaths scandal is the shame of the Parliament since its inception in 1999, but the past five years has been particularly horrendous. I hope that today’s debate and vote can help ensure that the next Parliament does so much better.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24396, in the name of Angela Constance, on a national mission to reduce drug deaths and harms. 15:33
The Minister for Drugs Policy (Angela Constance) SNP
Following the First Minister’s announcement in January of a national mission to save and improve lives, I am pleased that we have secured time for this very ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
In appointing people to those panels and forums, it is important that we do not just tick a tokenistic box and that we have people who are willing to challen...
Angela Constance SNP
I appreciate the point that Mr Findlay makes. He might not know it, but I, too, appreciate challenging and prickly voices, and I am determined to hear the wi...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The plan sounds very good, especially for same-day treatment, but it also sounds light years away from where we are today. How will the minister ensure that ...
Angela Constance SNP
I will come on to how the Government will lead the plans at a national level in more detail and how funding will be used as a lever for change. To go back t...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
The minister is aware of my passion to ensure that the third sector is properly funded. How will she ensure that the funding gets to the front line and third...
Angela Constance SNP
That is, indeed, of vital importance, which is why specific funds will be available only to third sector and grass-roots organisations. The first two funds ...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will be happy to move the amendment in the name of Brian Whittle, which I support and have signed. I am grateful to be opening the debate for the Scottish...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There can be no doubt about the devastating scale of the crisis when there were 1,264 drug deaths in the last reported year. The Government is right to ackno...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I will start where James Kelly concluded and acknowledge the contribution that Jenny Marra and Neil Findlay have made to the debate. I very much look forward...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I confirm the Scottish Greens’ support for the Government motion, with its frank admission of failure with regard to drug deaths. That is, indeed, “a mark of...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Thank you, Ms Johnstone. Yes, that is fitting. I am conscious that this might be Maureen Watt’s final speech, too. I call her now. 16:14
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. When I put my name forward to speak in the debate, I did not think that this might be my last speech in the chamber. As a membe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Watt, will you lift your microphone up, please? I think that it is bent down.
Maureen Watt SNP
Yes. I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I hope that you heard that first bit. It struck me, when I was preparing for this debate, that my first speech in...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you very much indeed, Ms Watt. 16:24
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I, too, wish Maureen Watt, Jenny Marra and Neil Findlay all the best for the future. As this parliamentary session draws to a close, I am reminded that one ...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I offer warm thanks to Maureen Watt. She has been very supportive and helpful to me during this session, including on my Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amen...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Neil Findlay, to be followed by Bob Doris. As members have noted, this may be Neil Findlay’s last substantive contribution. 16:34
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
He was in Polmont twice: for 10 days at the age of 16, and then for seven months at the age of 17. He got more drugs in prison than he did in the community. ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Findlay. I am glad that I did not pick you up on your bad language in the earlier part of your speech. 16:43
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Neil Findlay has just demonstrated why he will be a major loss to this place. I hope that we can welcome him back. I hope that he does not mind me saying so,...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I congratulate Maureen Watt on her final speech and on her service to the north-east over many years. She comes from an outstanding political family, which i...
The Presiding Officer NPA
For understandable reasons, we are substantially behind our schedule, although it is not just the members who are making valedictory remarks who are going ov...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
The number of drug-related deaths in Scotland is unacceptable, and every one of those lives lost is a tragedy. Important lives—of mothers, fathers, brothers,...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
First, I want to pay tribute to Neil Findlay and Jenny Marra, who are also making their final speeches today. I have not always agreed with Mr Findlay and Ms...
Liam McArthur LD
I start by acknowledging the contributions of the three colleagues who will be leaving Parliament after this session. Maureen Watt and I share a love of Mala...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
Jenny Marra will close the debate for Labour and make her final speech in the Parliament. 17:13
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The debate on drugs is long overdue. The reluctance of the SNP to debate drugs in its own parliamentary time tells its own story over the course of the Parli...