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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 18 March 2021

18 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Drug Deaths and Harms
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

Neil Findlay has just demonstrated why he will be a major loss to this place. I hope that we can welcome him back. I hope that he does not mind me saying so, but, despite our different constitutional views, I hope that we can welcome him back to an independent Scottish Parliament. He would be an asset in an independent Parliament, for sure. I wish him good luck in the future.

My friend and colleague Maureen Watt made a wonderful and emotional speech, and she will be a great loss to this place. I thank her for her years of service. I will be in the chamber for Jenny Marra’s final speech, which I look forward to. I thank them all for their contributions to our national endeavour.

I want to contribute to the debate because I see it as an opportunity to move the political debate on our drugs death crisis to a place where it will become a national endeavour for us all. The debate is on a national mission to reduce drug deaths and harms. I do not suggest that, in doing so, we should somehow ease up the scrutiny of the Scottish Government—quite the reverse. It has been acknowledged, rightly, by the First Minister that we should have done more to tackle the drugs death crisis. It is right that we acknowledge that as a mark of shame on the nation, and the way forward for us all would be to plot that way together.

There is now consensus that there needs to be significant additional access to residential rehabilitation across Scotland. I acknowledge that there will be a significant expansion of such beds. I had called for that for some time, as had Opposition parties. It will now happen, and can happen at speed—we heard the minister say that, in just two months, with a £3 million investment, 150 more people have benefited from residential rehabilitation. That is a remarkable achievement in such a small period of time, albeit that it is not anywhere near enough. I am interested in knowing more about the timeline for progress in expanding it further, and about how we will monitor outcomes. By that, I mean the impacts on how we can save lives and improve the quality of life not just of those who are living with addiction, but of their families, given the scarring effects on those families.

I think that the minister said that MAT standards would be embedded around April 2021; I must find out more about them. National standards for accessing a range of supports and treatments—including, of course, residential rehabilitation—would be incredibly welcome.

Some who have been designing and delivering services for some time have not always seen residential rehabilitation as a priority. That is self-evident; why else would ADPs have reduced the commissioning and delivery of such beds so dramatically? However, we have to come together, irrespective of our previous positions, and make things work. ADPs can rise to that challenge. They can embrace a rejuvenated investment in such beds; they can also embrace grass-roots organisations, which have authenticity and lived experience, and help to fund and empower them to do their great work in communities. For example, Sisco—Sustainable Interventions Supporting Change Outside—which the minister has met with me, is a strategic partner of Glasgow’s ADP, and I hope that it will secure funding via the Corra Foundation for its excellent work in prisons. Following other funding initiatives that were announced today, I very much hope that it will get additional funds in the future for its work in the community. It advocates for those who are living with or have been scarred by addiction.

Those who are striving for recovery often feel that their treatment choices are simply denied to them. I am thinking of a constituent who came to me just a few weeks ago with mental health issues. They had been trying to get themselves off methadone by reducing their dose themselves. They were really struggling and wanted prescription benzodiazepines—diazepam—to support and stabilise them. They were refused a prescription for that, so their only option was to increase their dosage. That was not what they wanted. Where were the treatment choice, options and empowerment for that person? We have to empower people along the way in their treatment.

In the brief time that I have left, I will mention a good friend of mine, the Rev Brian Casey, minister of Springburn parish church, who talks about truth and reconciliation and about helping communities. I will very briefly quote him. He talks about South Africa; that is why I mentioned truth and reconciliation. One of the things that helped the healing process to begin there was the truth and reconciliation commission headed by Archbishop Tutu. The families of the murdered and the brutalised came face to face with those in the security forces who had committed the crime.

Testimony, documented evidence and hearing their story repeated can be just as powerful for those who have their lives scarred and destroyed by drug addiction in our communities. Mr Casey thinks that we should be documenting that narrative and capturing those stories. I agree with him. We have to find a way not just for getting those who are living with addiction into recovery, but for the recovery of communities who have been so scarred by addiction.

I know that the minister’s diary will not let her meet Mr Casey during this session of Parliament. However, it will not surprise you, Presiding Officer, that I hope that Angela Constance will be in the same post in just a few weeks, and I look forward with hope to meeting her with Mr Casey to talk about his ideas about that national reconciliation—the truth and reconciliation that can help our communities to recover.

16:49  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24396, in the name of Angela Constance, on a national mission to reduce drug deaths and harms. 15:33
The Minister for Drugs Policy (Angela Constance) SNP
Following the First Minister’s announcement in January of a national mission to save and improve lives, I am pleased that we have secured time for this very ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
In appointing people to those panels and forums, it is important that we do not just tick a tokenistic box and that we have people who are willing to challen...
Angela Constance SNP
I appreciate the point that Mr Findlay makes. He might not know it, but I, too, appreciate challenging and prickly voices, and I am determined to hear the wi...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The plan sounds very good, especially for same-day treatment, but it also sounds light years away from where we are today. How will the minister ensure that ...
Angela Constance SNP
I will come on to how the Government will lead the plans at a national level in more detail and how funding will be used as a lever for change. To go back t...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
The minister is aware of my passion to ensure that the third sector is properly funded. How will she ensure that the funding gets to the front line and third...
Angela Constance SNP
That is, indeed, of vital importance, which is why specific funds will be available only to third sector and grass-roots organisations. The first two funds ...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will be happy to move the amendment in the name of Brian Whittle, which I support and have signed. I am grateful to be opening the debate for the Scottish...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There can be no doubt about the devastating scale of the crisis when there were 1,264 drug deaths in the last reported year. The Government is right to ackno...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I will start where James Kelly concluded and acknowledge the contribution that Jenny Marra and Neil Findlay have made to the debate. I very much look forward...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I confirm the Scottish Greens’ support for the Government motion, with its frank admission of failure with regard to drug deaths. That is, indeed, “a mark of...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Thank you, Ms Johnstone. Yes, that is fitting. I am conscious that this might be Maureen Watt’s final speech, too. I call her now. 16:14
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. When I put my name forward to speak in the debate, I did not think that this might be my last speech in the chamber. As a membe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Watt, will you lift your microphone up, please? I think that it is bent down.
Maureen Watt SNP
Yes. I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I hope that you heard that first bit. It struck me, when I was preparing for this debate, that my first speech in...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you very much indeed, Ms Watt. 16:24
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I, too, wish Maureen Watt, Jenny Marra and Neil Findlay all the best for the future. As this parliamentary session draws to a close, I am reminded that one ...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I offer warm thanks to Maureen Watt. She has been very supportive and helpful to me during this session, including on my Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amen...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Neil Findlay, to be followed by Bob Doris. As members have noted, this may be Neil Findlay’s last substantive contribution. 16:34
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
He was in Polmont twice: for 10 days at the age of 16, and then for seven months at the age of 17. He got more drugs in prison than he did in the community. ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Findlay. I am glad that I did not pick you up on your bad language in the earlier part of your speech. 16:43
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Neil Findlay has just demonstrated why he will be a major loss to this place. I hope that we can welcome him back. I hope that he does not mind me saying so,...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I congratulate Maureen Watt on her final speech and on her service to the north-east over many years. She comes from an outstanding political family, which i...
The Presiding Officer NPA
For understandable reasons, we are substantially behind our schedule, although it is not just the members who are making valedictory remarks who are going ov...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
The number of drug-related deaths in Scotland is unacceptable, and every one of those lives lost is a tragedy. Important lives—of mothers, fathers, brothers,...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
First, I want to pay tribute to Neil Findlay and Jenny Marra, who are also making their final speeches today. I have not always agreed with Mr Findlay and Ms...
Liam McArthur LD
I start by acknowledging the contributions of the three colleagues who will be leaving Parliament after this session. Maureen Watt and I share a love of Mala...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
Jenny Marra will close the debate for Labour and make her final speech in the Parliament. 17:13
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The debate on drugs is long overdue. The reluctance of the SNP to debate drugs in its own parliamentary time tells its own story over the course of the Parli...