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Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee 11 March 2021

11 Mar 2021 · S5 · Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee
Item of business
Cultural Sector (Impact of Covid-19)
Iain Munro Watch on SPTV
In the early weeks and months of the pandemic, we internally swung in those early moves to provide the initial support. As I noted in my opening remarks, that was a combination of our on-going commitment to and flexibility around the existing funding awards. We also put in place resources on our website to support people in finding access to other forms of support not just through us, but through other partners. You should bear in mind that, in the very earliest days of the pandemic, there was an expectation that the pandemic would have a certain arc that would begin to ease by the end of the calendar year. Clearly, that has not come to pass and we can talk more about that. In those early weeks and months, we conceived a programme of support that was a combination of support for individuals and organisations, with forms of relief funding that would stabilise the situation, coupled with support for adaptation to a completely unprecedented environment. Another aspect was the combination of how to process those funds—if we were to secure them—through open application mechanisms, where anybody could make an application, and some strategically targeted funds. We engaged in conversation with Scottish Government officials about that over those early weeks and months. Of course, that predated the subsequent funding being made available. To the Scottish Government’s credit, it began to make moves using its own resources prior to the UK Government consequentials coming through, to support the bridging bursaries and the performing arts venues relief fund, for example. It was quickly after that—three days, I think—that the UK Government consequentials were made available. The consequentials that flowed in for all cultural support totalled £97 million. That was not just to cover support that would be channelled through Creative Scotland and our arena, but to cover museums and galleries, historic environment, heritage and events. Creative Scotland and the Scottish Government, with organisations in those other areas, were in conversation about how best to make use of that funding. It is interesting to look for a moment at the UK context. As the committee will be aware, the consequentials that flow into Scotland are time limited to the financial year in which they are made available. The value of all that investment from the £97 million-worth of funding, whatever proportion was coming through Creative Scotland, would need to be processed, committed and spent by the end of March—that was the end point of the value of that investment. I think that everybody was also paying attention to what other parts of the UK were doing with the investment. The equivalent in England, for example, was £1.57 billion. Through our networks, we were tuned into partner organisations, to understand what they were planning to do. A stark compare and contrast became apparent. In our conversations with the Scottish Government, we were clear that we needed to provide support for individuals—and securing that on-going support is a big part of what we have been able to do. That has not been the case in, for example, England, where the vast majority of the £1.57 billion is in support of recovery funding for organisations. Almost immediately, we saw Creative Scotland’s initial thinking informing and influencing what packages of support would be available in Scotland. If I reflect back, we have seen a lot of support for individuals, organisations, open access funding, stabilisation and relief. We now need to pay attention to support that is for strategic and targeted approaches and about adaptation. Undoubtedly, the pandemic is going on much longer than any of us would have liked, and the impacts will be lengthy. It is a truism that the creative sector was one of the first to close and will be one of the last to reopen, in its fullest sense. Yes, sustained investment for relief will be important, but we must also look at funds that will be available to support recovery and, importantly, renewal. A lot of the conversations that are on-going are about how to influence the Scottish Government on that. Ultimately, however, Scottish Government ministers made the decisions about the purpose and priorities of those funds.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Joan McAlpine) SNP
Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the ninth meeting in 2021 of the Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee. We have received apologies ...
Iain Munro (Creative Scotland)
Thank you, convener, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased to be able to give evidence to the committee this morning. I realise that this is the last pu...
The Convener SNP
Thank you very much. As you noted, this is likely to be our final committee meeting of the parliamentary session. It will certainly be the last committee mee...
Iain Munro
In the early weeks and months of the pandemic, we internally swung in those early moves to provide the initial support. As I noted in my opening remarks, tha...
The Convener SNP
Thanks very much. That is helpful. You talked about how individuals in Scotland get funding that individuals in the rest of the UK do not get. I note that, a...
Iain Munro
There was quite a lot wrapped up in your questions; I will try to steer my way through them. I agree that the issues are all important. I will address the ...
The Convener SNP
Thanks very much. I will come back to some of those issues later. I will hand over to Claire Baker MSP.
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Good morning to Iain Munro and Isabel Davis. I have met Iain during the process—I have some questions for you, Iain. You gave a helpful introduction to how...
Iain Munro
Again, there was a lot wrapped up in your questions. I will try to make sure that I cover everything. The vast majority of funds, including the culture org...
Claire Baker Lab
Thank you. That is helpful. You mentioned that one of the purposes of the funds was to protect jobs, which is also one of the purposes of the theatre recov...
Iain Munro
Your question about the unions is an important one. Part of the change that was under way for Creative Scotland pre-pandemic was about how we move to open ou...
Claire Baker Lab
I appreciate how challenging this is. Does the data tell you how many jobs have been lost and how many redundancies there have been, or does it just say how ...
Iain Munro
That data does not tell us that, although a sense of loss of income and loss of employment opportunities is emerging from the sector survey, which is also co...
The Convener SNP
This is all absolutely fascinating stuff, Mr Munro, but I ask you to keep your answers a bit shorter. A lot of members want to ask you questions and I want t...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I have a couple of questions, primarily focused on screen. I will address them to Isabel Davis in the first instance, but some of them probably cut across wi...
Isabel Davis (Creative Scotland)
No, you will not find that document. As Iain Munro has pointed out, and as we all know, this year has been about getting our sleeves rolled up, getting all h...
Ross Greer Green
Iain Munro wants to come in, I believe.
Iain Munro
Yes, very briefly. I think that you pointed to it, but the annual report and accounts, and the annual review for Creative Scotland, include sections specific...
Ross Greer Green
Yes, thanks. I have the annual report in front of me, although I could not find the annual review. The Creative Scotland website annual review section goes u...
Isabel Davis
You might be aware that we have now, happily, almost entirely restructured Screen Scotland and we have individual teams—they work together, of course—across ...
Ross Greer Green
I am conscious of the time, although this is very interesting and, in general, I am very pleased with the progress that has been made, because this has been ...
Isabel Davis
I would like to signal that we are now in a position whereby each of the component parts of what it will take for the screen industry to achieve success can ...
Ross Greer Green
Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I will focus on some of the practical elements around culture, not least because if anyone was asked to describe my engagement with culture more generally, t...
Isabel Davis
It is great to know that you are an old friend of Lynda Myles, who remains one of the leading lights in the Scottish festivals. Her days at the Edinburgh int...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Thank you very much for that. I should not overplay my relationship with Lynda Myles. I was at the biggest school in Scotland—our year was nearly 500 people—...
Isabel Davis
It is such a fast-growing industry that the gaps are everywhere. That is a very good question, and I think the answer is “all of the above” if we are to succ...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The question I was going to ask was the one that Stewart Stevenson has just covered. I will go back to something that I think has been covered slightly. I re...
Iain Munro
You raise an important point. I will say up front that we have a keen eye to understanding the support that we are able to provide in and alongside the suppo...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
Thanks. Do you want to come in on that, Isabel?