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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 09 March 2021

09 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Climate Change Plan
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I offer Roseanna Cunningham good wishes from the Conservatives for a speedy recovery. Given that this would have been her last debate, I, too, would like to pay tribute to her. As everybody knows, we come from extremely different political stables, and we have been adversaries in Perthshire for quite some time. She is a formidable politician who has given great service at Westminster and Holyrood. I wish her a very happy retirement. [Applause.]

I think that we all accept that, during the pandemic, it has been all too easy to forget about the enormousness of the challenge that we face in tackling climate change. The scale of that challenge, together with the worryingly short timescales have focused the minds of several committees in the Parliament in recent months. They are also why the report from the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee is fairly blunt in its analysis of the work that will have to be done in the next parliamentary session.

Chris Stark, who has been mentioned and who is definitely one of the most respected advisers on climate change, has described the Scottish Government’s ambitions as being

“on the fringes of credibility”.—[Official Report, Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee, 2 February 2021; c 43.]

I agree with Chris Stark on that point, but that is not to say that the Scottish Government’s ambitions are wrong—far from it. However, there are serious question marks over the deliverability of certain key targets, most especially given some of the Scottish National Party’s recent record.

In the debate, we will concentrate on the question mark over deliverability. There are key issues that need to be addressed if, when it comes to COP26 in a few months’ time, Scotland will be able to demonstrate that she is a world leader in addressing climate change. The strong message coming from many of the witnesses and that is highlighted by the ECCLR Committee report is that much more has to be done to drive the sort of holistic policy approach that the minister described. Too much of the climate change debate has been taking place in silos, which is perhaps understandable.

I will provide just three examples of that. First, we know that there have been significant differences in progress to net zero in the eight sectors that are covered in the plan. For example, we have been doing well in the water industry and in relation to domestic heat in buildings, but much less so with transport.

Has enough been done to ascertain why certain sectors have been making more progress than others? Probably not—although I accept the cabinet secretary’s recent remarks that some of the difference was down to the different pace of technological change. That is a fair comment, but it is not the whole story. If we accept that green transport is a key priority—I have heard the cabinet secretary say that many times, particularly in relation to buses—I question why the Scottish National Party would decide to cut £33 million out of this year’s rail infrastructure budget. That does not make sense to me.

Secondly, we heard quite a lot of criticism at committee about the absence of a universal approach to regional land partnerships—something that has consistently been raised by NFU Scotland, which felt that there was too disjointed an approach to agriculture and forestry and questioned why the regional land partnerships policy had to be on a pilot basis only, when it is clear that there has been much success elsewhere with delivering substantial improvements in biodiversity and financial economies of scale.

Thirdly, concerns have been raised about the ability to link urban and rural policy. Several witnesses felt that the climate change plan did not reflect the needs of different regions sufficiently well, and we need to address that as soon as possible.

Without any question, priority must be placed on the introduction of the circular economy bill, which was promised by the SNP as a flagship piece of legislation. That bill is critical to the climate change plan, so it was disappointing that it had to be delayed. I am sure that my colleague Maurice Golden will say a bit more about that in his summing-up speech.

I turn now to what I see as some of the more difficult and pressing challenges that we face—challenges with which the ECCLR Committee has been wrestling over recent weeks. First, there is the issue of behaviour change and of how easy it will be to deliver that change with encouragement and incentives, rather than by more punitive measures. We all know that consumer behaviour must change if we are to hit more climate change targets. We may already have done some of what is necessary to reduce the use of plastic, to improve the heating in our homes, to ensure that we are buying greener cars and to address some problems with landfill, but there is an awful lot more to be done.

This is where things get difficult. To what extent, for example, should we be taxing consumers in order to effect the changes that we want to see? To what extent should Government dictate the expectations on consumer behaviour? To what extent should economic policy become more statist in its approach, should there be continuing conflicts between the private and public sectors?

Those are all very complex issues, raising questions about tax revenues, procurement and indeed the role of government in society—and we cannot run away from them. The committee has touched on most of those issues, but the Parliament will have to take that forward in the next session.

Secondly, there is the issue of striking a balance, and nowhere is that more important than in our approach to nature. We should acknowledge the huge progress that has been made in many respects, and I pay tribute again to the cabinet secretary for her efforts, particularly with peatlands, but there are some worrying features of the debate.

I put on record my deep-seated concern at the way in which a small minority of so-called environmentalists have attacked many people whose lifeblood is the countryside. The recent attacks on gamekeepers, gillies and stalkers for doing their job in maintaining and enhancing our countryside have been reprehensible, as have been the comments from a small minority who clearly ignore our responsibility to outlaw raptor crime. The approaches of those small but nonetheless vocal minorities are born out of prejudice and ignorance, and I deplore the lack of reasoned debate, as they often flout the available evidence about the activities that they undertake, most especially regarding those who have done so much to improve biodiversity.

The same is true for the stewardship of our beauty spots. Scotland is so rich in its natural assets and, if there has been any silver lining within the very dark Covid cloud, it is that many people want to enjoy them. That comes with responsibility, however, and it means much tougher action to weed out the fly-tippers, litter louts and antisocial campers.

The scale of the climate change challenge that we face is immense. I sometimes wonder if we in this Parliament have been devoting enough time to debating climate change policy in the chamber. I appreciate that the pandemic has made similar demands on debating time, but I look at some of the debates that we have had and I wonder whether we have got our priorities right. A debate about which flags we fly outside the building would surely have been one that we could have done without.

I hope that, in the next session, the Parliament will be able to prioritise climate change far more than has been the case in this session.

16:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24300, in the name of Gillian Martin, on the climate change plan. I call her to speak to and move the mot...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee, I welcome the opportunity to highlight the committee’s recent report on the updated...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 15:28
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
As convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, I am pleased to contribute to the debate. The committee took evidence on the climate change pla...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a farmer. Does Edward Mountain agree that there is huge willingness across Scotland to meet those challenges in the transport and ag...
Edward Mountain Con
I thank Mr Scott for that intervention and for his timely reminder that, as a farmer, I should also declare my interest. I want to see farming move forward. ...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I wonder what England is doing. I note that Scotland planted 80 per cent of the total and England planted only 20 per cent.
Edward Mountain Con
Mr Lyle’s intervention would have been an important intervention if we were in the United Kingdom Parliament. We are in the Scottish Parliament, and I will c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call James Dornan to speak on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee. 15:36
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to talk on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee about the climate change plan update. Initially, we agreed to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Willie Coffey to speak on behalf of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee. 15:42
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of my committee. We considered three aspects of the climate change plan update: electricity, industry and negative emissions ...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Ben Macpherson) SNP
I, too, am glad to speak in this important debate on the climate change plan update. I thank the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee for sp...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I offer Roseanna Cunningham good wishes from the Conservatives for a speedy recovery. Given that this would have been her last debate, I, too, would like to ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by wishing the cabinet secretary well, as others have already, in every sense of the word. It is indeed unfortunate that she cannot be here to take p...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I offer my good wishes to all members for whom this is their final parliamentary debate. I share the disappointment that the cabinet secretary cannot be with...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I join other members in wishing Roseanna Cunningham, the Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform, all the very best. I hope that sh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
We move to the open debate. I call Stewart Stevenson. This will be Mr Stevenson’s final speech in the chamber. Applause. 16:24
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. It is always as well to get the applause in first, because members might not be so enthusiastic at the end of my speech. As I ...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It seems to be a little unfair to have to follow that, Presiding Officer. I add my best wishes to all those who are retiring from Parliament—especially Stew...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Angus MacDonald. This is Mr MacDonald’s final speech to the chamber. 16:38
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to have the opportunity to contribute to the debate, as I serve on the ECCLR and REC Committees. This is my final speech, so I hope, with the P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much, Mr MacDonald. I say to members that, obviously, when people are making their last speech, I am relaxed about the time—that is only fair...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I do not take anything that you say personally—it is always wonderful advice. I welcome the Scottish Government’s update to th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
And there, on those good goals, you must conclude. Speeches should be four minutes.
Emma Harper SNP
I apologise, Presiding Officer. That was not my understanding. In conclusion, I welcome the Scottish Government’s—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, no, Ms Harper. “Conclude” means that—no wee extra bits. I call Richard Leonard, to be followed by Clare Adamson, who will be the last speaker in the ope...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As the committee reports make clear, and as witness after witness has attested to this Parliament, the Scottish Government’s climate change plan lacks clarit...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate those who have made their final speeches in the chamber today, which have been very moving indeed. I send my best wishes to the cabinet ...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It is great for me to speak in today’s debate as the new environment, climate change and land reform spokesperson for Scottish Labour. I thank my colleague C...