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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 March 2021

03 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Recovery

I very much welcome the debate, and I echo the welcome that has been offered to Monica Lennon in her new role.

There is nothing in Monica Lennon’s motion with which I disagree. Deep structural inequalities have, indeed, been exposed by the pandemic. This has been a terrible year for everyone, but it has been far, far worse for people who are on low or precarious incomes, people in precarious housing and people who cannot work from home, either because of their employers’ attitudes or because of the nature of their homes.

People have faced issues to do with workplace autonomy. How much control do people have over the public health measures that need to be implemented in their workplaces? Do they really have a voice at work?

There is also historical underpayment of the kind of work—from social care to cleaning—that is critical to the wellbeing of us all.

Issues in retail and hospitality have been mentioned. Those issues are especially relevant to women workers. They are also relevant to younger workers, who are disproportionately represented in those sectors and endure discriminatory minimum-wage rates.

Those structural inequalities cause harm in their own right, but they have also been impacted by Covid. There are people who face low rates of statutory sick pay or no sick pay at all. There are people who do not have the confidence to enter self-isolation when they know that they need to, because they know that they will lose pay as a result. I have spoken to people on precarious contracts who are worried even about taking a test, for fear that they will lose pay if they are not able to work. It remains to be seen whether those structural inequalities will also be evident in roll-out of vaccination through lower take-up in marginalised communities.

The Government’s amendment adds the issue of control over employment law. I cannot disagree with that. I was surprised only at how limited the Government’s amendment was.

Only the Conservatives seem to disagree with the basic premise of the debate. I would vote against their amendment even if it would only add to the motion. The coronavirus restrictions business advisory council that they call for—yet again, that policy is reheated—would, as I have argued before, end up not as a body advising on how best to implement public health measures, but as a group lobbying against public health measures.

However, what the Conservative amendment would delete is far more extreme than what it would add. It would delete reference to the idea of our being a fair work nation. It would delete reference to support for groups that are marginalised in the economy and it would delete mention of a green economic recovery. It would delete even the mere acknowledgment that there are exploitation and low wages in our economy.

We should remember that we are living in an economy in which one of the richest people on the planet, sitting at the top of a company—Amazon—is a billionaire many times over as a result of tax avoidance and paying poverty wages. People who work in that organisation are paid poverty wages and are simply allowed to be exploited. Such a person becomes a billionaire not because he works hard, but by exploiting others. That is the structure of our economy.

The Green amendment, which was not selected for debate, sought to add other perspectives. It is clear that the concept of everlasting growth on a finite planet is unsustainable. However, it is also clear that growth ideology has failed to achieve human wellbeing. Growth happens at times when the gap between the richest and the poorest continues to increase. The rhetoric about a green recovery, which is now heard right across the political spectrum, is increasingly common, but so often it is heard from the lips of those who also support the fossil-fuel industry, road building, aviation growth and all the failed approaches of the past. Essentially, they are still propping up an economy that rests on the waging of a war against nature.

I will finish by saying something about the historical context. As has been said, we, or most of us, want to avoid a return to austerity—to the idea that the burden of what we have come through should rest on the shoulders of those who have the least. At some point, reconciliation will have to be made and we will have to find a way to pay for what we have come through, but it must not be people who are in poverty who pay the bill.

However, that is about more than just the crash of a dozen or so years ago; we need to look at what happened before that. There were decades in which Governments handed over power—away from democratic accountability and on to the markets and the financial system. When those systems failed more than a dozen years ago, there was an opportunity to correct that historical error. The opportunity was not taken. Now, even deeper power is being accumulated in the age of big data, with all its capacity to manipulate people’s behaviour and perceptions. The big players in surveillance capitalism have a kind of power that even those in finance capitalism never achieved.

Important policy questions therefore face us, including how to deliver and fund social care, and how to transition to a sustainable economy and do so fairly. However, the challenges that we face are not solely about those policy choices. Recovery from what ails us as a society must mean bringing power in our society back under democratic accountability. That is a far bigger challenge, and it is one that few Governments around the world are even attempting to address.

16:19  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24263, in the name of Monica Lennon, on Scotland’s recovery. 15:44
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It has been said many times during the pandemic that we are all in it together. However, although Covid has thrown us all into the same storm, we are most de...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member consider that the UK Government should either increase the statutory minimum wage or allow us to do that?
Monica Lennon Lab
Labour members want an increase not just to the statutory minimum wage but to the real living wage. I will come on to the importance of that in a moment. ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I ask Monica Lennon to answer the question that John Mason asked. Also, can she tell Parliament why Labour did not support the inclusion of employment law in...
Monica Lennon Lab
I make it clear to Parliament that not only does Scottish Labour support the Government, but it is our policy to make a positive case for the devolution of e...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Monica Lennon Lab
I want to make some progress. We need progressive procurement. I hope that the minister will agree with that.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Monica Lennon Lab
I will continue. The public sector must not reward companies and organisations that engage in blacklisting, operate zero-hour contracts and pay below the l...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you for speaking to time, Ms Lennon. Perhaps I should have made it clear at the beginning that, for once, we have plenty of time for people to take int...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I thank Monica Lennon for bringing the debate to the chamber and welcome her to her new role, although I know that it is not the one that she had hoped for. ...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister mentioned a wellbeing economy. However, under the SNP, Scotland has declined from 16th place to 21st place in the international rankings for wel...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Universal credit.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The very response that I might have given was made from the back benches. It is interesting that Mr Lockhart seeks to absolve his party of any responsibilit...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Allow me to welcome Monica Lennon to her new role as her party’s economy spokesperson. No one would have thought that the final year of this parliamentary s...
Monica Lennon Lab
I agree that there is a need for speed in getting the funding and support from Government out to the front line, but is it a matter of regret to Maurice Gold...
Maurice Golden Con
Furlough has been extended to September, there has been £407 billion of support for families, jobs and businesses throughout the crisis and, just today, an a...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I very much welcome the debate, and I echo the welcome that has been offered to Monica Lennon in her new role. There is nothing in Monica Lennon’s motion wi...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I welcome Monica Lennon to her new role in the Scottish Labour Party and commend her for the fine challenge that she posed for Anas Sarwar. I know that we wi...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
I have a number of observations to make. At the outset, I make the perhaps obvious point that we are not yet out of the woods as far as the coronavirus pande...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Before I call our next speaker, I draw members’ attention to the fact that we have a substantial number of members standing down at the election and a dimini...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Hear, hear.
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have a few such members here this afternoon, Mr Lyle. The first of those is David Stewart. 16:32
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate my friend Anas Sarwar on his recent election as Labour leader. I wish him well for the future. He will be part of Scotland’s recovery. I...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Stewart. On behalf of all your fellow parliamentarians, I thank you for all that you have contributed, including to the corporate body, for whi...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
What a lovely speech from Dave Stewart—I wish him all the best. I see him as a very good example of the character of the people he represents. I turn to the...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I wish outgoing members who are delivering their last speeches all the very best. I also thank the Labour Party for giving us the opportunity to debate the C...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I do not know whether that was Rachael Hamilton’s final speech, but I wish her well in her future career, whatever that might be. There is certainly a lot t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Lewis Macdonald, to be followed by Sandra White. I understand, Mr Macdonald, that this is your last speech, too. 16:57