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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 25 February 2021

25 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Income Tax Rate Resolution 2021-22
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

It is a peculiarity of the budget process that we have to set the rate resolution before our final vote on the budget. We do not yet know the final overall size of the budget, or how it will be allocated.

However, this is an important part of the process: if we did not agree on a rate resolution, no income tax would be collected at all in Scotland. Some of my colleagues might welcome that prospect. It might give an interesting foretaste of what an independent Scotland might look like, with a large black hole in the public finances, but it is probably not a responsible way in which to proceed, at present.

As we consider our approach to the rate resolution, let us not forget that the Scottish National Party was elected on a manifesto promise not to raise taxes. In its 2016 manifesto it pledged to

“freeze the basic rate of income tax throughout the next Parliament to protect those on low and middle incomes”.

Nicola Sturgeon herself has said:

“I have been very clear that the government will not increase income tax”.—[Official Report, 2 February 2017; c 10.]

I could bore the chamber for hours with similar quotations from SNP figures, perhaps even from the finance secretary herself, making similar pledges, all of which have now been broken.

Everyone who earns more than around £27,000 pays more tax than their equivalent south of the border. Many of those who are paying much more are basic-rate taxpayers. There is also, as we have often raised, particular concern about those who earn between £43,000 and £50,000, who pay tax at a marginal rate of more than 50 per cent. That is a disincentive to people in that tax bracket to work harder.

That is not the only tax promise that the SNP has broken. It also promised at election time to raise the personal allowance to £12,750. That is another pledge that the SNP has broken: we have had two broken tax promises in the course of one session of Parliament.

That said, I welcome the fact that we will not have further tax increases in the current year. Although that does not narrow the gap between Scotland and the rest of the UK, at least it does not make matters worse.

It is classic Keynesian economics to increase spending and reduce taxation at a time of economic downturn. The Scottish Government is not choosing to reduce taxation; we will see what the Chancellor of the Exchequer decides to do for the other parts of the UK in his budget next week. To increase taxes at this time would go against all orthodox economic thinking. The minister gave a nod to that idea in his remarks. This is not the time for fiscal consolidation. That might be different in the long run. We await what the chancellor announces in the UK Budget next week, but I would be very surprised if he took any steps to increase personal taxation at this time.

In subsequent years, the story might be different. There might be a need to increase taxes in order to reduce borrowing and then to start to make repayments, but now is not the time to do that. In that respect, the minister and I are in the same place; we agree with that general approach. It remains to be seen whether that meeting of minds will last much longer. For now, we agree that that is a sensible approach to taxation.

However, we would prefer it if we were going further towards meeting tax rates in the rest of the UK, because we have to be very careful about increasing tax divergence between Scotland and down south. Scotland needs to be a competitive place to live, work and do business. Our aspiration as a party is for taxes in Scotland to be competitive relative to those in the rest of the UK. That is how we will attract people to come to live in Scotland, and that ambition is as important now as it ever was.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24225, in the name of Kate Forbes, on the Scottish income tax rate resolution. Members should note that t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Kate Forbes) SNP
Apparently so. I move, That the Parliament agrees that, for the purposes of section 11A of the Income Tax Act 2007 (which provides for income tax to be cha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is excellent—off we go. 16:37
The Minister for Trade, Innovation and Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
I had checked the choreography with my officials earlier. The process is apparently that the cabinet secretary moves then I speak to the motion. I am delight...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It is a peculiarity of the budget process that we have to set the rate resolution before our final vote on the budget. We do not yet know the final overall s...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
If I have time, I will give way.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will get your time back, Mr Fraser.
John Mason SNP
Does Murdo Fraser accept that people are attracted to Scotland for a range of reasons? For most people, the tax rate is not the dominant reason. They come he...
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Mason is right that there are all sorts of factors that lead to people coming to and leaving Scotland. However, if I were him, I would be very nervous abo...
Ivan McKee SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I will, if I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister must be very brief.
Ivan McKee SNP
I will clarify the point that I made. I said that the £119 million reflects the better performance of income tax raising in Scotland than that in the rest of...
Murdo Fraser Con
That was a very long intervention. If the minister checks the record, he will see that he said—I listened to him very carefully—that the £119 million include...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is some time for interventions. 16:54
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Since the Government took charge of Scottish income tax rates, Labour members have been critical of how it has used the powers. For years, the SNP demanded t...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
This is like a blast from the past—the debates of yesteryear, when we used to argue about tax rises and whether we would get extra revenues or whether there ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The current session of the Parliament has seen the only substantial tax reform since devolution, with a new, five-band system of income tax that is closely m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. There is a little time in hand for interventions. 17:07
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
We now move on to the other side of the budget equation: where the money is to come from to pay for the expenditure that we need and want. I have to say that...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
I will not, after Mr Findlay’s insult to the cabinet secretary. The section on tax policy in the Finance and Constitution Committee’s report—paragraphs 167 ...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The SNP is seeking members’ agreement to the proposed rates and bands for Scottish income tax. The Scottish Conservatives believe that it is unfair to burden...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Bill Bowman Con
On which point?
Tom Arthur SNP
That was a very good riposte. Can Mr Bowman confirm that it is still Conservative Party policy that there should be parity between the income tax rates in S...
Bill Bowman Con
I will not, because I am not running in the election. I think that Murdo Fraser said that our aim is that we should reach a parity position at least in due c...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Mr Bowman, through me, please.
Bill Bowman Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We say to the Scottish people that there is at least one party in this chamber that is on their side, that does not want to s...