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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 24 February 2021

24 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Government Funding

For every problem that is complex and difficult, there is a solution that is simple, easy and wrong. That is what the Conservatives have to offer today.

The topic is an important one, because the system of local government finance that we have in this country is fundamentally broken. Every year since the SNP lost its majority, the Greens have made the issue a priority. The impact of additional resources that we have made available to local government has changed the context of that historical underfunding to which Sarah Boyack’s amendment refers. Overwhelmingly, the damage was done in the previous session of Parliament. In every year since 2016, the Green impact has made a real difference, and has been welcomed repeatedly by COSLA.

The Greens were the first to propose a fiscal framework. Back in 2017, we published proposals on the framework and we eventually gained support to begin the task of developing it. However, that is one of many areas of work that have been delayed due to Covid.

The Conservative proposal today simply does not engage with reality. The reality is that a fiscal framework for local government cannot just be imposed; it needs to be carefully developed with local government. It needs to provide transparency, predictability, sustainability and autonomy for local government over its finances. The reality is that the simplistic idea of providing for a fixed percentage of the Scottish budget would utterly disregard the changing needs and priorities from year to year.

Annie Wells is flatly wrong to claim that her proposal mirrors the UK-Scotland fiscal framework. I do not believe for a moment that the Conservatives would support a UK-Scotland fiscal framework that was based on the idea of a fixed percentage of the total UK budget, and such a simplistic idea would be no more workable in a fiscal framework for local government. The reality is that, in order to work, it would need to give local government the fiscal autonomy that is normal in many other European countries.

The reality is also that Green efforts to deliver new fiscal powers to local government have met with consistent opposition from the Conservatives. Reform of local government finance can happen only if we work together to achieve political consensus across the political parties. We do not have the same starting points, but if we all just dig in our heels and defend our starting points, there will be no progress. Such progress is long overdue. The reality, I am sorry to say, is that the Conservatives are the only party in the Parliament that has consistently refused to engage with the opportunities for cross-party dialogue that could result in progress. With that track record, it is clear that their motion is not a serious effort to achieve change.

We will support both amendments today. The Government amendment deletes that simplistic model of a fixed percentage, while the Labour amendment recognises both the historical context and some of the priorities that need to be addressed for the future. We will vote for both amendments and for the amended motion.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Our next item of business is a Conservative Party debate on motion S5M-24206, in the name of Annie Wells, on fair funding for local government. I encourage a...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I am delighted to be given the opportunity to speak in this important debate and in support of the Scottish Conservatives’ motion. Local government across ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
A debate about the future of local government and how the Scottish Government should fund our councils benefits from being set in the wider strategic context...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary accept that Covid has brought with it even greater pressures on local authority services, and that those pressures are continuing ...
Aileen Campbell SNP
My colleague, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Kate Forbes, engages thoroughly and regularly with local government to take account of the pressures on coun...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests and my former employment with the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations. I...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
During the pandemic, local communities have come to help people who need support. We have relied on councils to get schools and pupils geared up to learn and...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
For every problem that is complex and difficult, there is a solution that is simple, easy and wrong. That is what the Conservatives have to offer today. The...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We come to the open debate. I remind members that we are a bit tight on time, so they should keep their remarks to four minutes. 16:31
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
For local democracy to be effective, local councils require fairer funding and to be trusted. That should be a statement of the obvious, of course, but it is...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Mountain, you may continue. I ask members please to keep order.
Edward Mountain Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. The SNP will continue to make headline announcements about increased funding to local councils, but the devil is always in the...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
It is good to see Annie Wells back at work, and I hope that she is feeling better. It is just a shame that she was landed with this desperate motion on her r...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have a registered interest related to funding provided by Unison for my member’s bill, the Breastfeeding etc (Scotland) Bill. I am pleased to be speaking ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank Annie Wells for bringing the debate to the chamber. Like Patrick Harvie, I believe that the motion on fair funding for local government is very impor...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms White, I think that it is time to conclude.
Sandra White SNP
I will do so, Presiding Officer. I welcome the fact that the Scottish Government is working with COSLA and the local governance review.
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to closing speeches. 16:49
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Fair funding for local government has been something that Scottish Labour has campaigned on throughout the entire term of the Parliament, so we welcome the d...
The Minister for Trade, Innovation and Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this important debate, which highlights the crucial role that local government plays in supporting our communities...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to close for the Scottish Conservatives in this afternoon’s debate on fair funding for councils. As someone who spent nearly two decades in l...