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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 February 2021

23 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill

I apologise for briefly leaving the chamber during the debate, Presiding Officer.

It has been a very good debate. Alex Rowley summed up why the bill is so important. He spoke eloquently about fuel poverty, and he mentioned a three-tier tariff scheme in Dunfermline, both of which are issues that the bill tackles. On fuel poverty, if we have more district heating schemes, we can potentially drive down the cost of heating. I say “potentially”, because that is not a given and will not be automatic.

That will be one of the two tests of the bill. The first is whether it will lead to greater take-up and use of district heating, and we do not know the answer to that. The second is whether consumers will be better protected as a result, and the jury is out on that, too. That is an important issue. As a number of members have raised during the process, if someone is tied into a district heating scheme, what happens if they do not like it and want to switch supplier? Those of us who are not in a district heating scheme can pretty much do that any time. There are difficulties with that issue.

What happens if a company supplying a district heating scheme goes bust or just decides that it does not want to do it any more? That brings me on to the question that Alexander Burnett raised about the supplier of last resort. Mr Burnett said that what is in the bill in that regard is not ideal. I agree—there are still questions to be asked about that.

I, too, must praise the minister for his approach. I do not want to embarrass him too much, but I have to say that he has given something of a masterclass in cross-party co-operation. The process has been driven by the minister. He has managed to get people virtually round the table and to agree on pretty much everything. He was doing so well until the final group of amendments, when Mr Wightman decided that the minister could not have it all his own way. Anyway, I say to the minister, “Well done—really well done.” As we have heard, there is cross-party consensus on the issue, which is important.

The minister started by telling us what a heat network is. I assume that people know this, but it is a network that delivers heat—obviously—most commonly through hot water or steam from a central source. There are a number of ways of doing that.

At all stages of the bill, we have heard various examples from across the country of heat networks that already exist, but we want the provision to expand. Members have mentioned the Danish experience. As we have heard, heat networks cover about 50 per cent of Danish heat consumption and two thirds of households, representing 17 per cent of national energy consumption. Therefore, as Sarah Boyack said, we have a long way to go. I did not realise that Sarah Boyack was a minister as long as 20 years ago—she certainly does not look it, does she, Presiding Officer? I am praising everyone today. However, if we have not made progress in 20 years, that is not a good record.

There are a number of issues still to be tackled, such as the issue that Citizens Advice Scotland raised about what happens when people’s heat is turned off by the network. However, we are fully behind the bill, as are all the parties.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24192, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill. Before I invite Paul Wheelho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Heat Networks (Sco...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands, Paul Wheelhouse, to speak to and move the motion. 16:23
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am delighted to have the opportunity to address members on the Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill. I am also delighted that we have reached this stage, after ma...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I take this opportunity to acknowledge the hard work that has gone into the bill from our clerks and researchers, and from the external stakeholders, who hav...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for Labour in today’s debate. I am glad that the bill will introduce a regulatory and licensing system for district and communal heatin...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on an important piece of legislation that Scottish Liberal Democrats will be delighted to support. I am proud of t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members who are taking part in the debate that they should remain in the chamber for the opening speeches, which is particularly pertinent to those ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
As a member coming to the bill in its later stages, I thank the committee for its detailed stage 1 report, which made the intricacies of the bill much easier...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 16:47
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The aim of the bill is simple: to encourage greater use of local heat networks in Scotland and thereby move away from burning gas and fossil fuels to heat ou...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
These measures to tackle Scotland’s move to zero carbon by the middle of the century will no doubt be welcomed by all parties. When the bill came before Par...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The debate on the bill has been really constructive. We are now living in a climate emergency and we need to take steps across all sectors to reduce our carb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to close the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. 16:59
Alex Rowley Lab
This has been a really good debate. I again pay tribute to the minister, Paul Wheelhouse, for the way in which he has engaged with other parties across the P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rowley, there is time in hand so you do not need to worry about that; you can take longer if you need it.
Alex Rowley Lab
Thank you. The Government’s progress on community ownership of renewable energy is behind—I think that 70 per cent of the target was achieved by 2020—so the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Graham Simpson to close for the Conservatives. 17:04
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I apologise for briefly leaving the chamber during the debate, Presiding Officer. It has been a very good debate. Alex Rowley summed up why the bill is so i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the much-praised Mr Wheelhouse to close the debate on behalf of the Government. Minister, you can have 10 minutes if you wish. 17:09
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I thank all members for their contributions to today’s debate and getting the bill to this point. I will try to cover...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Given that we have reached the end of scheduled business, I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 11.2.4 of the standing orders, that decis...