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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 February 2021

23 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill

The debate on the bill has been really constructive. We are now living in a climate emergency and we need to take steps across all sectors to reduce our carbon emissions, so the bill’s provisions will be critical. New heat networks will require strategic thinking and a lot of detailed work to enable us to build in the opportunities that new technologies will deliver in the years to come. It is vital that our infrastructure is future proofed, is affordable for those who use and rely on it, and works for all.

Heat networks are a key aspect of our net zero infrastructure. As Alex Rowley said, they bring us in Scotland a big opportunity to invest in local jobs, with apprenticeships and roles in designing, building and installing projects, all of which could be spread right across the country. It is also vital that such networks help us to tackle fuel poverty, and enable the green recovery that we urgently need to deliver good-quality, long-term employment and training opportunities for our communities.

Heat networks are also vital infrastructure elements in the context of our national climate targets. However, alongside that, maximising local decision making will be critical. There is a need for leadership at both Scottish Government and local government levels. The Scottish Government needs to use its leadership to support information exchange and to work with local authorities to ensure that they have the funding to lead on the planning and implementation that will make such goals a reality. Crucially, though, and as the Local Government and Communities Committee discussed last week, such leadership must be used to help to de-risk projects. That was the key message that came across from the committee’s witnesses.

My amendment to the Non-Domestic Rates (Scotland) Bill enabled infrastructure that will contribute to our net zero goals to be exempt from non-domestic rates, or at least have them significantly reduced. My colleagues in the previous Labour leadership of Glasgow City Council led the way for heat networks to be deployed, only for them to be hit with the prospect of huge NDR bills that made the project totally unworkable. However, the work in Glasgow is an excellent example of anchor institutions—the council and the University of Strathclyde—working together to drive innovation in the city. We need to see such an approach being replicated right across Scotland. I am therefore delighted that the statutory instrument on non-domestic rates and heat networks will be considered at tomorrow’s meeting of the Local Government and Communities Committee. That will be really good progress.

Quite a few of the members who have spoken in the debate mentioned Denmark. I went there as a minister 20 years ago, when it was miles ahead of us. We are still miles behind, but we can learn from its example. It was focusing on heat networks that actively encouraged municipal and local ownership and planning, in close co-operation with local industries and businesses. We need the same leadership and support to enable us to maximise the development of local investment so that the benefits of community-owned networks can be recycled into our communities. Community wealth building needs to be built in from the start.

Given the growing demands on local government budgets and resources, it is critical that we get the right support to our local authorities. Given the pressures that they are under, in-house knowledge and experience need to be developed across the country. Leadership from the next Scottish Government will be absolutely critical. Ministers must take the political lead to support authorities through finance, policy and technology, or exchange of experience. However, local authorities must also begin to take on their leadership roles and seek to plan head successfully. Both aspects of government must work together, and in conjunction with the UK Government, so that everyone is aligned to deliver. That will be a key issue if we are to be successful—and the climate emergency demands that we be successful. We can do so by supporting our communities and seeing manufacturing happening in Scotland. We need people to work together, but we also need there to be the right incentives and support.

We need to ensure that whoever is here in 20 years’ time will not be talking about missed opportunities and the need to catch up. We now have good examples in the UK and Denmark—and also in Scotland—from which we should learn. Let us get going, and let us ensure that the bill makes a real difference and that we get the low-carbon investment that our country urgently needs.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24192, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill. Before I invite Paul Wheelho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Heat Networks (Sco...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands, Paul Wheelhouse, to speak to and move the motion. 16:23
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am delighted to have the opportunity to address members on the Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill. I am also delighted that we have reached this stage, after ma...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I take this opportunity to acknowledge the hard work that has gone into the bill from our clerks and researchers, and from the external stakeholders, who hav...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for Labour in today’s debate. I am glad that the bill will introduce a regulatory and licensing system for district and communal heatin...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on an important piece of legislation that Scottish Liberal Democrats will be delighted to support. I am proud of t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members who are taking part in the debate that they should remain in the chamber for the opening speeches, which is particularly pertinent to those ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
As a member coming to the bill in its later stages, I thank the committee for its detailed stage 1 report, which made the intricacies of the bill much easier...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 16:47
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The aim of the bill is simple: to encourage greater use of local heat networks in Scotland and thereby move away from burning gas and fossil fuels to heat ou...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
These measures to tackle Scotland’s move to zero carbon by the middle of the century will no doubt be welcomed by all parties. When the bill came before Par...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The debate on the bill has been really constructive. We are now living in a climate emergency and we need to take steps across all sectors to reduce our carb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to close the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. 16:59
Alex Rowley Lab
This has been a really good debate. I again pay tribute to the minister, Paul Wheelhouse, for the way in which he has engaged with other parties across the P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rowley, there is time in hand so you do not need to worry about that; you can take longer if you need it.
Alex Rowley Lab
Thank you. The Government’s progress on community ownership of renewable energy is behind—I think that 70 per cent of the target was achieved by 2020—so the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Graham Simpson to close for the Conservatives. 17:04
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I apologise for briefly leaving the chamber during the debate, Presiding Officer. It has been a very good debate. Alex Rowley summed up why the bill is so i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the much-praised Mr Wheelhouse to close the debate on behalf of the Government. Minister, you can have 10 minutes if you wish. 17:09
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I thank all members for their contributions to today’s debate and getting the bill to this point. I will try to cover...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Given that we have reached the end of scheduled business, I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 11.2.4 of the standing orders, that decis...