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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)16 February 2021

16 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Adult Social Care (Independent Review)
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

The Scottish Green Party thanks everyone for their involvement in the review process and in what the cabinet secretary referred to as the “road map”. The Scottish Green Party supports a national care service.

The 53 recommendations set out how adult social care can be improved, but that should not be taken as a suggestion that the delivery of care is not already of the very highest standard, by and large. Overall improvement is needed, however, and it is important that we look forward, rather than backward.

Families feel a range of emotions about care. They welcome the support, but they worry about changes in care, and about continuity of care. They worry about transitions and about their loved ones being institutionalised if care is not available at home—which is ideally where we want care to be delivered.

There is a role for self-directed support, but I issue a slight caution about that: in the wrong hands, it can be seen as a way for those who are responsible not to meet their obligations.

The report discusses a more “collaborative approach” to adult social care. I can identify with that, reflecting on my days with Highland Council. The council and NHS Highland were the first to come together in what remains a unique model. The assessment of the effectiveness of the delivery of care at home found, strangely enough, that the teams that were co-located had the best results. That will surprise no one—the more collaboration, the better.

Integration joint boards have been mentioned. They are not universally welcomed, and their status relative to that of some local authorities is an issue.

There is talk of a step change in capability to address the implementation gap. That should not be at the behest of the profit motive, with private companies cherry picking high-density areas, leaving behind the remote, less densely populated areas, such as the one that I represent. Then there is the local authority, which has the statutory obligation and extols how much cheaper it can do things. There are many fine examples of good work being done by commercial care deliverers, but the statutory obligation of the limited company is to deliver profits for its owners, and I and my party are certainly of the view that care and profit need to be separated. I recall mentioning that in my first speech in the Parliament two sessions ago.

It has been said that the voice of lived experience needs to be amplified when it comes to proposed service design, and I absolutely get that. There is a suggestion of consultation fatigue. Of course we seek input from individuals, but their experience is not the whole story. We all experience things differently and the way ahead is to take a patient-centred approach.

Local authorities are concerned about accountability. I had representations from one authority last night. I have been a bit critical of the relationships in some of the joint boards, but I find that a bit ironic, particularly as—in my experience—they have sometimes sought to sidestep their own accountability and to blame central Government.

That said, it is important that we listen to COSLA. I am delighted that the cabinet secretary has indicated that there has been engagement there. I do not think that we are clear about the shape of the system. Is it entirely new and innovative? I certainly want it to be innovative, but I do not think that we want to discard some of the good practice that has been set out.

The need to set out a clear vision is covered in the review. Vision is good and passion is good; empathy is much better. I am not sure that that has ever featured as a qualification in any procurement process. The new system must be consistent, and the statutory responsibilities must be very clear.

I do not think that private companies have a role here at all, but it is important that we discuss the recommendations in a positive, constructive manner. We must recognise that posturing sometimes puts people off, and we want public support for what goes ahead, which must be evidenced by the information that we have at hand.

I like the suggestion that a national care service should be “on an equal footing” with the NHS, and I hope that, over time, we will see the warmth and affection for a national care service that we have seen for the NHS and what it delivers.

It is very important that we take a human rights approach. The Highland Senior Citizens Network was involved in ensuring that Scotland’s national action plan took a human rights approach. I remember speaking to someone who was very cynical and thought that human rights related to prisoners. However, there were many issues at that time, such as hydration for people in care homes. Making human rights relevant to people is important, and they certainly cannot be more relevant than for people who require—[Inaudible.]

The recommendation on a national improvement programme is good, and so is the one on shifting from markets and competition to collaboration in commissioning and procurement practices. I do not think that there is a role for the profit motive; it is about delivering fair work.

In the very short time that I have left, I will turn to the rural dimension. There must be subsidiarity in all aspects of this, because we want a care system that delivers across Scotland.

We will not support the Conservative and Lib Dem amendments, but we will support the Labour amendment. We share Labour’s aspiration of improved conditions, but there are many other areas that we care about, and we will address those through the budget process. “Care after Covid: A UNISON vision for social care” does not contain the £15 per week figure that Labour’s amendment mentions. Sectoral bargaining arrangements would be far more important than any figure, and it is important that Labour, like everyone else, explains where the money would come from and meaningfully engages with the budget process.

It is important that we all get behind the creation of a national care service.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24134, in the name of Jeane Freeman, on the independent review of adult social care. There is no time in ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
The independent review of social care gives us a clear road map for the future of care provision in Scotland. Central to its proposition is that we see—and d...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary said that the report produces a plan for a system that is equivalent to the NHS. Can she elaborate on that?
Jeane Freeman SNP
In essence, the report tells us that, in everything that we do in its delivery and how we treat its workforce, we need to accord adult social care the same v...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Donald Cameron to speak to and move amendment S5M-24134.4. 16:14
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to open for the Scottish Conservatives in this important debate, and I place on record my party’s thanks to the advisory panel and ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour has campaigned for improvements to our chronically underfunded care services for a long time. We believe that social care support in Scotland...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to speak to and move amendment S5M-24134.2. 16:29
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to rise for the Liberal Democrats. I welcome the publication of the report of the independent review of adult social care, which e...
Monica Lennon Lab
Does Alex Cole-Hamilton agree with Scottish Labour that the fight for 15 campaign is a fair ask, and does he support a rate of £15 an hour for social care wo...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Monica Lennon made a compelling argument for that, and I do not see a reason why we would not support it, in particular given that, as she rightly said, 83 p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you for keeping to your time, Mr Cole-Hamilton. 16:35
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The Scottish Green Party thanks everyone for their involvement in the review process and in what the cabinet secretary referred to as the “road map”. The Sco...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Lewis Macdonald to speak on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee. 16:41
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am glad to have the opportunity to speak in the debate and to highlight the Health and Sport Committee’s two-year inquiry into the future of social care, w...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Certainly.
Neil Findlay Lab
As he is convener of the Health and Sport Committee, could the member tell me what evidence the committee took from stakeholders about integration and its su...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
The committee took a great deal of evidence on that. We have done so not only in this context but in the context of a number of inquiries over the years. Nei...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We come to the open debate. 16:48
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this extremely important debate and thank the organisations that have provided briefings, including the Scottish Associ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome the publication of the independent review of adult social care. There have been calls for an independent review from the third sector and social ca...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate the convener of the Health and Sport Committee and the committee clerks on the pragmatic way in which they managed to ensure that we debated t...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I, too, very much welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate. I will begin by being positive—it is a positive review—so who better to quote than the chai...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will begin by setting out where we find common ground on this subject. In his foreword to the review’s report, Derek Feeley said: “If we want a different ...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
The independent review is an important step towards the creation of a national care service for Scotland. In creating that service, there must be a laser-lik...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
The independent review is an important step towards the creation of a national care service for Scotland, which will ultimately enable us to improve the expe...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Mr MacGregor, you are slightly over time already. Please bring your remarks to a conclusion.
Fulton MacGregor SNP
Okay. On the one hand, we have been dealing with a horrible virus that disproportionately affects our older generations and those in care homes, and on the ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
It has been an excellent debate, with real passion having been displayed in some of the speeches. I will touch on that passion as I summate the Liberal Democ...