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Meeting of the Parliament (Virtual) 11 February 2021

11 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Hydrogen Economy

I thank Lewis Macdonald for his constructive approach. I recognise his long-standing interest in hydrogen, particularly in Aberdeen, and I welcome his interest in the matter.

Lewis Macdonald makes the important point that, if we learn successfully from the H100 project that there is potential for hydrogen to play an increased role in decarbonising the gas grid—through upping the percentage in the gas mix to perhaps 20 per cent initially, which I think is what industry players propose, or ultimately to 100 per cent—and then proceed with that, clearly, there will be conversion costs. I am encouraged by the fact that manufacturers such as Worcester Bosch are developing hydrogen-ready boilers that would be relatively simple to transfer to domestic properties to allow hydrogen-enabled heating systems to be used. Obviously, other manufacturers are interested in the area.

There is a great emphasis on minimising the investment that individuals and businesses will need to make. Obviously, there is potential for the development of heat networks, which could use hydrogen. The Government is carrying out work on the idea of heat as a service. In effect, that would take the problem of having to decide what kind of system to put in place out of householders’ hands. In effect, householders would commission, through their monthly bills, a service from a provider that would provide the heat at the contract price. Householders would not have to worry about the technology because, in effect, the investment decisions would be taken out of their hands and developed through commercial arrangements.

Mr Macdonald is right that offshore wind is an area of enormous potential and that we need to do better on supply chain opportunities. We need to learn from the difficulties with offshore wind in that regard. An integral part of our approach not only to hydrogen but to the heat and building strategy is to consider the supply chain opportunities.

As I emphasised in my statement, we are keen to work with industry stakeholders as part of the development of the action plan. We want to engage with industry to identify where we can achieve early wins. For example, can we be the manufacturers of electrolysers? By being an early adopter and early mover, can we get an advantage in the market? That would give us the ability not only to generate low-cost green hydrogen in the long term and blue hydrogen in the meantime but to develop an advantage in the supply chain. I am happy to engage with Mr Macdonald on that.

Mr Macdonald is right to identify Rotterdam as a good example of the great interest in hydrogen that there is in Europe. We have had strong interest from the port of Antwerp, the Dutch Government’s hydrogen envoy and colleagues in Germany, all of whom are looking to work with Scotland to source green hydrogen for industrial decarbonisation. That could apply also in Scotland, in locations such as Grangemouth and elsewhere.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a statement by the Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands, Paul Wheelhouse, on developing Scotland’s hydrogen economy...
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
Hydrogen is rapidly emerging as a sustainable solution for the decarbonisation of the economy and a key piece of the energy transition picture. That view is ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Wheelhouse. There will be around 20 minutes of questions for the minister.
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for early sight of the statement. The Scottish Conservatives have long been supporters of looking at the use of new technologies such as...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I thank Alexander Burnett for his interest in the subject. It is important to stress, as I did in my statement, that Scotland is the first part of the UK to ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Perhaps unlike Mr Burnett, I welcome the work that is being done to look at conversion of the gas grid and the potential for hydrogen heating systems, as in ...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I thank Lewis Macdonald for his constructive approach. I recognise his long-standing interest in hydrogen, particularly in Aberdeen, and I welcome his intere...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
My question is in a similar vein to Lewis Macdonald’s, and is on opportunities for our workers. The minister alluded to the fact that hydrogen has a role glo...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Gillian Martin raises a really good point. The hydrogen assessment by Arup that I referred to in my statement looked across three main scenarios and conclude...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I highlight the fact that we have nine more questions to get through and we are almost halfway through the allocated time.
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
What is the minister doing to help motorists to transition to hydrogen? Specifically, how is he getting behind the proposal to establish a network of 12 hydr...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I recognise that interesting proposals have been put forward for a hydrogen coast, so to speak, from the north-east of Scotland all the way up to Shetland. T...
Shona Robison (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister say more about the work that he has been doing with local partners Arcola Energy and Dundee City Council to ensure that the hydrogen projec...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Absolutely. Shona Robison makes a very good point. We see Dundee as being the next city in line to develop hydrogen after Aberdeen. The Government is committ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the Scottish Government commit to considering monitoring the advanced technology whereby green hydrogen is used to contribute to the production of liqui...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I agree with Claudia Beamish. It is hugely exciting to see the potential for hydrogen to play a role, either directly as an energy source or through conversi...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Does the growth of the hydrogen economy present any particular opportunities for island and rural communities, beyond transport?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Indeed it does. That is a very important point. I have been passionate about this since the start of our hydrogen policy. Our island and rural communities of...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank the minister for early sight of his statement and for his previous answer. I welcome the content and assure him of Scottish Liberal Democrats’ suppor...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I very much agree with Liam McArthur on that point. We have to keep our eye on the ball as far as energy efficiency and renewable heat supplies are concerned...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I welcome aspects of the statement in relation to green hydrogen—Inaudible.—for heavy industry and heavy transport, but I urge the minister to move away from...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I want to reassure Mr Ruskell on a couple of points. First, we recognise that grey hydrogen is a product that is used in the Scottish economy already, but it...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We are well over time now, but I will take Maureen Watt, to be followed by Liz Smith.
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I thank the minister for his statement, which is hugely exciting. As members know, Scotland has been an early adopter of hydrogen in transport, with Aberdeen...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I agree with Maureen Watt. The people of Aberdeen can be hugely proud that their city has been pioneering hydrogen buses, and I am pleased that the Scottish ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister knows that there are, obviously, huge opportunities for hydrogen in agriculture, not just in relation to fuel and heavy machinery but for fertil...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am very interested in Liz Smith’s point about the wider role of hydrogen. It would be useful to have a discussion with her and, indeed, the James Hutton In...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I apologise to David Torrance. I am afraid that we will have to end the questions there. We have already eaten into the time for the next item of business.