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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 February 2021

03 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Universal Support for Self-Isolation
Stewart, David Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

This has been an excellent debate, with helpful and well-argued contributions from across the political divide. I, too, congratulate Mark Ruskell and the Scottish Green Party on their initiative in securing the debate.

The Covid-19 pandemic has placed tremendous strain and responsibility on all our hard-working front-line NHS and care workers. The vaccination programme, as well as being a triumph for British and international—[Inaudible.]—has required exceptional organisational and administrative expertise in its roll-out. As the motion recognises,

“an effective test, trace and isolate regime will be needed”

not just immediately, but for some time into the future.

The key issue in the debate, as far as I am concerned, is the variety of barriers to self-isolation: money worries, insecure employment, suitable accommodation and caring responsibilities. To be clear, self-isolation is a key and crucial element of any Covid recovery strategy. If quarantine/self-isolation is not carried out effectively, for all the reasons that I have just highlighted, we are weakening one of the key pillars of the plan, which will, of course, put back Covid recovery and renewal and will extend lockdown restrictions for longer than they need to be. Earlier this week, in reply to a question from Bob Doris, the cabinet secretary outlined how the Scottish Government is supporting people to self-isolate. As we have heard, eligibility for the self-isolation support grant has now been extended to those who earn the real living wage or lower.

Members made extremely useful contributions to the debate. I will focus, first, on that of Mark Ruskell, who made the point that our vaccination programme is not a strategy in itself. He also quoted Professor Jason Leitch, who has said that we might have to live with Covid for some years to come. Of course, we will need a strong self-isolation strategy for that reason. Mr Ruskell also quoted academic research that suggested that 38 per cent of individuals were not isolating for the recommended number of days.

The cabinet secretary said that we have more to do, which is, of course, true. She said that, if people need help, they should be able to access it, and she flagged up the national assistance service and the helpline. She gave a good example of best practice when she spoke about the delivery of breast milk from a new mother. The key will be for us to share such best practice.

Rachael Hamilton thanked our front-line staff and mentioned the military, members of which have worked extremely effectively in the current crisis.

Pauline McNeill made the point that everyone should be able to afford to self-isolate. Many people have to make a choice between compliance with Covid rules versus financial destruction. Ms McNeill said that isolation must work effectively, otherwise our testing and tracing strategy will not be as effective as it could be. More support is needed, particularly for those who fall on the wrong side of the economic divide.

Alex Cole-Hamilton made an important point about welcoming the testing of asymptomatic people. He again mentioned the dilemma that disadvantaged families face, between following the rules and feeding their own families.

I am conscious of the time, Presiding Officer, so I will conclude my remarks. As many members have testified, we need to discuss the broader economic and social context of child poverty in Scotland. Even before Covid, our levels of such poverty and social isolation were high and were projected to rise.

I hope that members will support Labour’s amendment, which calls on the Scottish Government to make

“full use of Scotland’s testing capacity to deliver mass asymptomatic testing”.

We need to keep the virus pinned down. Vaccination is an important part of our strategy, but the test, trace and isolate approach should also be part of the mix. Together, we can defeat this foe and then rebuild our economy and communities.

16:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I remind everyone that social distancing measures are in place in the chamber and across the campus. I ask everyone to take particular care when they are ent...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I start by expressing my gratitude to all those who are working so hard to keep us safe during the pandemic, not least those who work in our front-line healt...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Security and Older People (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I thank the Scottish Greens for bringing this very important debate to the chamber. Alongside the vaccination programme and the testing programme, compliance...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is just finishing, and she is over time.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
My apologies. I hope that that gives a flavour of the support that is available from the Scottish Government. We are pleased to support Pauline McNeill’s ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Rachael Hamilton to speak to and move amendment S5M-24029.3. 15:33
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
In opening the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I echo the thanks that are expressed in the Greens’ motion to our hard-working national health...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close please?
Rachael Hamilton Con
I certainly will. We cannot support the SNP amendment, given that it offers no measures that have not already been announced and only a tweak to improve self...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supports the Green motion because we agree with the basic principle that everyone should be able to afford to self-isolate. The pandemic has...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Green Party for making time for this important debate today. We have some differences of opinion on universality, but it is important th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask for speeches of no more than four minutes, please. 15:50
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to make a few brief remarks in the debate. I join Mark Ruskell and colleagues from across the chamber in thanking our front...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member give way?
Tom Arthur SNP
I will, but I can anticipate what the member is going to say.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
The member is belittling real and genuine concerns that have been raised in good faith by Opposition parties that want the SNP to succeed with its vaccinatio...
Tom Arthur SNP
I would never doubt Mr Cole-Hamilton’s sincerity, for which I know he is reputed across the chamber. However, I question the motives of the UK Government, gi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Other members have begun with thanks, and I echo one line in the Government amendment and thank those who have done the right thing by self-isolating as nece...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Donald Cameron. Excuse me, Mr Cameron, we seem to have an issue with your sound. Perhaps you could hold on for a moment. Can you say hello to us, Mr...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The financial support that is being provided to people who are self-isolating is really important, and I have no doubt that it is much welcomed. As usual,...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Notwithstanding the Government’s action to widen the entitlement criteria, which was announced yesterday, I welcome today’s debate and agree that the self-is...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I hope that you can hear me, Deputy Presiding Officer. The Covid-19 pandemic has been a horrific experience for many, and in different ways. First and forem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Cameron’s was the last of the open-debate speeches, and we now move to the closing speeches. We are running a bit over time, for various reasons, so pleas...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been an excellent debate, with helpful and well-argued contributions from across the political divide. I, too, congratulate Mark Ruskell and the Sco...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank hard-working NHS staff who are doing all they can to keep us safe and protected during these unparalleled times. Now that the vaccination programme i...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions to this very important debate. We all appreciate and share an understanding that compliance will continue to be criti...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am sure that the cabinet secretary recognises that people face threats of consequences, and coercion, from employers, and have fears of such. Surely, as ho...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I was just coming on to the remarks that Patrick Harvie made earlier and to that point. He rightly raises the issues that some employees have been facing, an...
Mark Ruskell Green
I thank members for their contributions and warm words. I hope that the debate has put a strong spotlight on one aspect of our Covid response, and I look for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the Scottish Green Party debate on universal support for self-isolation.