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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 February 2021

03 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Universal Support for Self-Isolation
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I hope that you can hear me, Deputy Presiding Officer.

The Covid-19 pandemic has been a horrific experience for many, and in different ways. First and foremost, many people have had to deal with the tragic deaths of family members and friends, while others have been at the front line of our NHS or in social care, dealing with the devastating impacts of the virus at first hand. Even for those who have not been directly affected by the infection itself, the virus has nevertheless had a debilitating and pernicious impact, especially when it comes to being unable to see family or friends.

The series of lockdowns that have been designed to keep us safe and protect our NHS have had a significant and profound impact on many people’s lives. In particular, they have had an unintended impact on the mental health of the nation, which is something that we must not just recognise but act on.

Indeed, both lockdown and periods of self-isolation will affect people in different ways, which is something that has scarcely been discussed during the course of the pandemic. I therefore commend Mark Ruskell for bringing this debate to the chamber, even if Conservative members cannot fully endorse the entirety of his motion. I note that it is an issue that Mark Ruskell has pursued tenaciously in the Covid-19 Committee, which I have the honour of convening.

It is plainly right that we support those who are most at risk from taking time off work to self-isolate, not just to ensure the efficacy of self-isolation as a means of preventing further spread of the virus, but because self-isolation, in and of itself, can lead to significant anxiety, as many members have pointed out, not to mention the practical consequences that it can have.

As the motion notes, self-isolation can have those unintended practical consequences and it can put people in precarious situations relating to their employment status and financial means, among other concerns. It is right, therefore, that both the UK and the Scottish Governments have similar schemes offering £500 to those who are most in need, so that they can self-isolate with some financial stability and security. The Scottish Conservatives have concerns, however, about how the scheme has been managed in Scotland, with less than a third of applications for the self-isolation grant having been approved by the SNP Government, according to the latest available data. Clearly, improvements need to be made in ensuring that such targeted support gets to those who need it most.

That scheme is not the only way in which people have been supported during the pandemic. It would be churlish not to recognise what the Scottish Government has done in that regard, but there are also schemes such as the UK Government’s furlough scheme and its self-employment income support scheme, which have provided valuable income to those who are unable to work during the pandemic. The UK Government has also sought to support some of the most vulnerable people through investing additional money in the universal credit programme and through easing the eligibility criteria for applications for universal credit.

Those are all positive interventions, but it is clear that more is needed to help those who are struggling with the pandemic and its effects. As I noted, there are real and legitimate concerns about the impact of self-isolation on people’s mental health, especially at this time of year. In November, the Scottish Association for Mental Health published a study that revealed

“that 50% say their mental health has been worse in the last few weeks than at the start of the coronavirus pandemic.”

Age Scotland has noted

“the impact of loneliness ... increasing the risk of stress, anxiety and depression, and doubling the risk of dementia.”

Clearly, we must ensure that those stressful factors related to self-isolation are mitigated as much as possible.

We agree with the general thrust of the motion, but we are of the view that the Scottish Government must do more to reduce the negative mental health impacts of self-isolation. It is clear that existing financial support schemes can play a part in achieving such aims, but only if such support is properly targeted to those who need it most.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I remind everyone that social distancing measures are in place in the chamber and across the campus. I ask everyone to take particular care when they are ent...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I start by expressing my gratitude to all those who are working so hard to keep us safe during the pandemic, not least those who work in our front-line healt...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Security and Older People (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I thank the Scottish Greens for bringing this very important debate to the chamber. Alongside the vaccination programme and the testing programme, compliance...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is just finishing, and she is over time.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
My apologies. I hope that that gives a flavour of the support that is available from the Scottish Government. We are pleased to support Pauline McNeill’s ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Rachael Hamilton to speak to and move amendment S5M-24029.3. 15:33
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
In opening the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I echo the thanks that are expressed in the Greens’ motion to our hard-working national health...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close please?
Rachael Hamilton Con
I certainly will. We cannot support the SNP amendment, given that it offers no measures that have not already been announced and only a tweak to improve self...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supports the Green motion because we agree with the basic principle that everyone should be able to afford to self-isolate. The pandemic has...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Green Party for making time for this important debate today. We have some differences of opinion on universality, but it is important th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask for speeches of no more than four minutes, please. 15:50
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to make a few brief remarks in the debate. I join Mark Ruskell and colleagues from across the chamber in thanking our front...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member give way?
Tom Arthur SNP
I will, but I can anticipate what the member is going to say.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
The member is belittling real and genuine concerns that have been raised in good faith by Opposition parties that want the SNP to succeed with its vaccinatio...
Tom Arthur SNP
I would never doubt Mr Cole-Hamilton’s sincerity, for which I know he is reputed across the chamber. However, I question the motives of the UK Government, gi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Other members have begun with thanks, and I echo one line in the Government amendment and thank those who have done the right thing by self-isolating as nece...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Donald Cameron. Excuse me, Mr Cameron, we seem to have an issue with your sound. Perhaps you could hold on for a moment. Can you say hello to us, Mr...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The financial support that is being provided to people who are self-isolating is really important, and I have no doubt that it is much welcomed. As usual,...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Notwithstanding the Government’s action to widen the entitlement criteria, which was announced yesterday, I welcome today’s debate and agree that the self-is...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I hope that you can hear me, Deputy Presiding Officer. The Covid-19 pandemic has been a horrific experience for many, and in different ways. First and forem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Cameron’s was the last of the open-debate speeches, and we now move to the closing speeches. We are running a bit over time, for various reasons, so pleas...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been an excellent debate, with helpful and well-argued contributions from across the political divide. I, too, congratulate Mark Ruskell and the Sco...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank hard-working NHS staff who are doing all they can to keep us safe and protected during these unparalleled times. Now that the vaccination programme i...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions to this very important debate. We all appreciate and share an understanding that compliance will continue to be criti...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am sure that the cabinet secretary recognises that people face threats of consequences, and coercion, from employers, and have fears of such. Surely, as ho...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I was just coming on to the remarks that Patrick Harvie made earlier and to that point. He rightly raises the issues that some employees have been facing, an...
Mark Ruskell Green
I thank members for their contributions and warm words. I hope that the debate has put a strong spotlight on one aspect of our Covid response, and I look for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the Scottish Green Party debate on universal support for self-isolation.