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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 February 2021

03 Feb 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Universal Support for Self-Isolation
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

In opening the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I echo the thanks that are expressed in the Greens’ motion to our hard-working national health service staff and others, and notably our fantastic armed forces personnel and volunteers, who have been instrumental in the roll-out of the Covid-19 vaccine across Scotland and the UK.

I am not supportive of the Greens’ solutions, but I am pleased to have been given the opportunity to discuss the subject. We are all aware that self-isolation is crucial to prevent spread of the deadly virus. We have to break the cycle of transmission, especially in community settings, and use a package of measures to get on top of the virus. As we learn of new variants, compliance must be improved and barriers to self-isolation must be broken down.

We know that compliance varies hugely. Some studies say that it is at 62 per cent, which was quoted by Shirley-Anne Somerville, but others say that it is 18 per cent. Regardless of that, changing behaviour is key. In the week of 24 January, 4,249 people arrived in Scotland and were expected to quarantine in case they were incubating the virus, compared with 9,868 people living in Scotland who actually tested positive. Dr Müge Çevik, who is a virology expert at the University of St Andrews, says that compliance is our “weakest link”.

I want to make three main points in addressing the various issues that are covered in the Green Party’s motion, and to look for ways in which we can improve the current circumstances.

First, I say that this short debate cannot solve the problems that we are facing, and neither can yesterday’s announcement by the Scottish Government of extension of eligibility thresholds for self-isolation grants, although we welcomed it. The Scottish Government must look at why people are not self-isolating. We know that financial concerns, insecurity of employment, caring responsibilities and unsuitable accommodation are all reasons why people might choose not to self-isolate. As part of the measures to address concerns, changes to statutory sick pay were welcome.

We know that vulnerable communities, including black, Asian and minority ethnic groups, are less likely to self-isolate because of poorer housing, anti-vaccination theories and, possibly, their economic situation. We need a more bespoke intervention to suit those communities, rather than just taking a universal approach. Enforcement can be a key tool in supporting adherence, but it is essential that unintended consequences because of inequalities are carefully looked at so that people who do not have appropriate resources to support self-isolation are not unfairly penalised.

We know that some people break self-isolation because they have to go to the shops for food. Currently, students and low-income households in Scotland are supported by delivery of groceries through central provision, but other countries—for example, Denmark—offer designated quarantine accommodation that includes food and supplies for people who are self-isolating.

Secondly, we know that additional financial support is crucial, so we welcome the changes to statutory sick pay eligibility for people who cannot work because of coronavirus. However, we must look carefully at the Scottish welfare fund, which has not performed well during this time of great need. Of the £59.5 million of Scottish welfare fund that was available in 2020-21, by the end of September 2020, only £18.9 million of it, or 32 per cent of the cash that was available, had been spent. The self-isolation support grant is administered through the Scottish welfare fund.

At the tail end of last year, we heard in the Social Security Committee that many people had been unsuccessful in obtaining support. I share Mark Ruskell’s concern that only 2,000 people had received the self-isolation grant up to the end of November, when just under 7,000 people had applied for the grant. Richard Gass of Rights Advice Scotland spoke of the poor success rate and of how Glasgow City Council was receiving 250 applications per week but was turning down three quarters of them.

The guidance states that when someone does not meet the criteria for the self-isolation grant, they should be considered for a crisis grant, but we know that crisis grants are also not reaching those who need them. Back in March, Shirley-Anne Somerville sent a letter to advise local authorities that it should be possible for people to obtain the crisis grant more than three times a year, but the Child Poverty Action Group made it clear in committee that crisis grants are still being refused on the basis that someone has already had three grants, and their exceptional circumstances have been ignored.

We know that £22 million of additional funding has been earmarked for the Scottish welfare fund, so why are so many people being turned away? The problems that are being caused by distribution of the Scottish welfare fund need to be sorted out, especially for people who are self-isolating.

Thirdly, we know that there is a route out of the pandemic, but I do not believe that the Scottish National Party has grasped the urgency of the situation. On Sunday, we saw the lowest daily figure of just over 9,000 vaccines being administered, while other nations in the UK raced ahead. Our route map out of the pandemic relies on a strong track and trace system, increased testing and, crucially, efficient and rapid vaccination of our population. There must be more mass asymptomatic testing and support to get mass vaccination centres up to 20,000 vaccines a day, with the help of the British Army.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I remind everyone that social distancing measures are in place in the chamber and across the campus. I ask everyone to take particular care when they are ent...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I start by expressing my gratitude to all those who are working so hard to keep us safe during the pandemic, not least those who work in our front-line healt...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Security and Older People (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I thank the Scottish Greens for bringing this very important debate to the chamber. Alongside the vaccination programme and the testing programme, compliance...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is just finishing, and she is over time.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
My apologies. I hope that that gives a flavour of the support that is available from the Scottish Government. We are pleased to support Pauline McNeill’s ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Rachael Hamilton to speak to and move amendment S5M-24029.3. 15:33
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
In opening the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I echo the thanks that are expressed in the Greens’ motion to our hard-working national health...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close please?
Rachael Hamilton Con
I certainly will. We cannot support the SNP amendment, given that it offers no measures that have not already been announced and only a tweak to improve self...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supports the Green motion because we agree with the basic principle that everyone should be able to afford to self-isolate. The pandemic has...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Green Party for making time for this important debate today. We have some differences of opinion on universality, but it is important th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask for speeches of no more than four minutes, please. 15:50
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to make a few brief remarks in the debate. I join Mark Ruskell and colleagues from across the chamber in thanking our front...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member give way?
Tom Arthur SNP
I will, but I can anticipate what the member is going to say.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
The member is belittling real and genuine concerns that have been raised in good faith by Opposition parties that want the SNP to succeed with its vaccinatio...
Tom Arthur SNP
I would never doubt Mr Cole-Hamilton’s sincerity, for which I know he is reputed across the chamber. However, I question the motives of the UK Government, gi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Other members have begun with thanks, and I echo one line in the Government amendment and thank those who have done the right thing by self-isolating as nece...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Donald Cameron. Excuse me, Mr Cameron, we seem to have an issue with your sound. Perhaps you could hold on for a moment. Can you say hello to us, Mr...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The financial support that is being provided to people who are self-isolating is really important, and I have no doubt that it is much welcomed. As usual,...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Notwithstanding the Government’s action to widen the entitlement criteria, which was announced yesterday, I welcome today’s debate and agree that the self-is...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I hope that you can hear me, Deputy Presiding Officer. The Covid-19 pandemic has been a horrific experience for many, and in different ways. First and forem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Cameron’s was the last of the open-debate speeches, and we now move to the closing speeches. We are running a bit over time, for various reasons, so pleas...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been an excellent debate, with helpful and well-argued contributions from across the political divide. I, too, congratulate Mark Ruskell and the Sco...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank hard-working NHS staff who are doing all they can to keep us safe and protected during these unparalleled times. Now that the vaccination programme i...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions to this very important debate. We all appreciate and share an understanding that compliance will continue to be criti...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am sure that the cabinet secretary recognises that people face threats of consequences, and coercion, from employers, and have fears of such. Surely, as ho...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I was just coming on to the remarks that Patrick Harvie made earlier and to that point. He rightly raises the issues that some employees have been facing, an...
Mark Ruskell Green
I thank members for their contributions and warm words. I hope that the debate has put a strong spotlight on one aspect of our Covid response, and I look for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the Scottish Green Party debate on universal support for self-isolation.