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Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee 25 January 2021

25 Jan 2021 · S5 · Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016 (Register of Persons Holding a Controlled Interest in Land) Regulations 2020 [Draft]
Macpherson, Ben SNP Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV
Thank you, convener. As members know, the regulations, if they are approved by Parliament, will bring into force part 3 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016, which provides that “The Scottish Ministers must by regulations make provision— (a) requiring information to be provided about persons who have controlling interests in owners and tenants of land, and (b) about the publication of that information in a public register kept by the Keeper of the Registers of Scotland.” As I said, the duties in the regulations will commence on 1 April 2022, which will be the date on which the new register becomes operational. The purpose of the new register is to improve public transparency about land ownership, and it will achieve that by making information about those who have a controlling interest in land publicly available—in other words, those who ultimately make decisions about land management or the use of land, even if they are not registered or recorded as the owner of the land. There can no longer be categories of landowner or tenant where, intentionally or otherwise, control of decision making is obscured. In conjunction with other transparency regimes, that means that it will be possible to look behind every category of entity in Scotland, including overseas entities and trusts, to see who controls land. We do not require double reporting for entities that are subject to other regimes, as we do not want to duplicate existing publicly available information. A further key purpose of the register is to make it easier to identify the decision makers in order to enable communities and individuals to engage with people who make decisions about land that will affect them. Mark Ruskell mentioned that. The regulations will also aid policy making by enabling us to gain a fuller picture of those individuals who have control over decisions about land in Scotland. The Scottish Government consultation on the policy proposals for a new register ran from September to December 2016, and a further consultation was carried out from June to November 2018 after the publication of the proposed draft regulations for a new register. We have analysed the consultation responses and engaged widely with relevant stakeholders, as the committee has, and we have listened to the committee’s views throughout the process. The final laying of the regulations at this time marks a significant step towards delivering greater transparency about land ownership in Scotland. This will put Scotland at the forefront in Europe and deliver greater transparency than exists in any other part of the United Kingdom. I am particularly pleased that access to the new register will be free to the public, as I emphasised earlier. Although some have wanted the register to include beneficial interests, its purpose is to provide transparency about who controls and makes decisions about land in Scotland in order to increase and promote constructive engagement. That purpose is different from those of wider UK regimes, which aim to combat illegal activities such as money laundering. The UK Government has signalled a desire to introduce a draft registration of overseas entities bill, which we support. That would establish a new beneficial ownership register of overseas entities that own UK property. We are engaging closely with our UK Government counterparts as that proposal develops, particularly as it would require a legislative consent motion in the Scottish Parliament. We have no firm timescale from the UK Government and we expect that the bill will be introduced when UK parliamentary time allows. The regulations that we have laid therefore take account of overseas legal entities. That approach maintains flexibility should the UK Government’s proposals be delayed or not suitable for our purposes. As I said, we support the proposal in general terms but, obviously, we will have to look at what the UK Government brings forward. On substantive changes to the regulations since the second laying, I note that we have added a provision that the keeper must provide the Scottish ministers with such information as they require in order to monitor the efficacy of the register. That will allow the Scottish ministers to scrutinise and analyse the data from the register in a robust fashion to ensure that the policy aims are being met and the right outcomes are being delivered. The regulations that are before the committee have been subject to an enhanced affirmative procedure, as set out in the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016. This is, in fact, the third time that the committee has scrutinised the regulations. The regulations have been complex and technically challenging. I thank committee members and the committee’s clerks for their robust scrutiny and attention to detail, and I thank all stakeholders for actively engaging in the development of the regulations. I am happy to answer any further questions from the committee. 14:00

In the same item of business

The Convener SNP
Our second item is evidence on the draft Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016 (Register of Persons Holding a Controlled Interest in Land) Regulations 2020. I welc...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I welcome the minister to his new portfolio. I have a couple of questions about public accessibility of the new register. You will have seen from evidence th...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Ben Macpherson) SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for his questions. The register will be integrated on the system with other registers that are held by Registers of Scotland, and will b...
Robin Cornwall (Scottish Government)
The first thing to say is that Registers of Scotland is at the very early stages of developing the system, because it does not want to pre-empt the parliamen...
Mark Ruskell Green
Right. I have a related supplementary question. When do you expect that register to go live? We have been waiting a long time; the initial consultation was i...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Collectively, we want that to be implemented as quickly as possible. Of course, I am aware and grateful that the committee appropriately accepted the Cabinet...
Mark Ruskell Green
I have one more question. Are you 100 per cent sure that the regulations align with the 2018 European Union anti-money laundering directive?
Ben Macpherson SNP
I will allow officials to come in on that shortly. The regulations have been designed to incorporate Westminster changes, including proposed company law legi...
Robin Cornwall
Yes—we are content that the regulations comply with that directive.
Mark Ruskell Green
It is good to have that on the record.
The Convener SNP
We are having difficulty getting Finlay Carson back, but I know what he was going to ask, so I will ask it on his behalf. The committee understands that Sco...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Robin Cornwall can come in on that, having liaised with Registers of Scotland on the more technical side of implementation and on ScotLIS.
Robin Cornwall
Yes. On the two tiers of access, I believe that free access takes you to the boundaries of the specific title number and the last sale price of the property....
The Convener SNP
So, that is a change from the existing arrangements: there will not be two tiers any more, and everyone will just have free access to everything. Is that wha...
Robin Cornwall
No—they will not have free access to the land register data. The information that will be held by the register that the committee is discussing with us will ...
The Convener SNP
Okay, but for access to the enhanced information, there will be a fee of £3. Is that per search?
Robin Cornwall
As far as I am aware, the fee is per search, although I would have to double check that with Registers of Scotland.
The Convener SNP
I will move on to the other thing that Finlay Carson was wanting to ask. We have asked whether there is a view on a requirement to have a Scotland registered...
Ben Macpherson SNP
For clarity, the register that we are talking about today will be free. As has been articulated previously by officials, the charges have been significantly ...
Robin Cornwall
There is no requirement within the regulations to provide an address in Scotland; the key thing is that there must be an address at which the person is conta...
Ben Macpherson SNP
There are concerns that overseas legal entities that own, or that lease land under a long lease of 20-plus years, can often be opaque, so it can be hard to i...
The Convener SNP
Finlay Carson will probably want to follow up on a couple of those answers. If we cannot get him back, I might suspend the meeting briefly. Before we do that...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the minister to his first session with the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee. I wish to follow up on an aspect that you touche...
Ben Macpherson SNP
As you alluded to in your question, the criminal penalties that we have included in the regulations are the maximum that are permitted under the 2016 act. Th...
Claudia Beamish Lab
Thank you; I wanted to highlight that point, as stakeholders have highlighted it to us. I tend to agree with it, but there we are.
The Convener SNP
We do not seem to have been able to get Finlay Carson back while we have been live on air, so I suspend the meeting briefly. 13:47 Meeting suspended. 13:52...
The Convener SNP
We appear to have sorted out the technical issue with Finlay Carson’s connection. Finlay, I am not sure whether you heard the minister’s responses to the que...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Thank you, convener. I could proceed through the opening statement that I intended to make, if that would be helpful to the committee.
The Convener SNP
That would be helpful. I should have allowed you to do that in the first place, so I apologise. If you give your statement, members can then ask any other qu...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Thank you, convener. As members know, the regulations, if they are approved by Parliament, will bring into force part 3 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 20...