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Meeting of the Parliament (Virtual) 21 January 2021

21 Jan 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

The Scottish Conservatives’ approach to the bill has been outlined by my colleague Liam Kerr. I need not repeat what he has said, but perhaps one or two comments would be appropriate.

A key issue, on which many members have touched, is whether the measures that the bill aims to put into law fall outwith with the competence of this Parliament. Indeed, it is already considered that they do. Without a well-reasoned explanation of why that view is wrong, it is difficult to deal properly with the bill at this late stage in the current session of Parliament. It is a matter of concern that much time has already been spent—or, as some might say, entirely wasted—during this session on measures that have had competence, and on others that have been of dubious competence.

Another key point, which is unrelated to the bill itself, concerns the current circumstances, of which we are all too painfully aware, and the various measures that have been put in place as a result. Of necessity, those measures impinge on and, to a very real extent, prevent proper exercise by us, as MSPs, of our democratic functions, and prevent carrying out of our responsibilities.

To the extent that those functions can be exercised at present, doing so adequately is neither easy nor quick, including for the Justice Committee. Virtual meetings and online communication are not at all equivalent to meeting in person, and it is clear that information technology solutions do not provide equivalence at any level. I recall visiting a tech hub in the before time—as some people refer to life pre-Covid—and being told by a highly successful IT entrepreneur that when he really wanted to get something sorted out, he got everyone together in a room, because online meetings just do not do it.

It is important, as other members have emphasised, to recognise that the bill’s intentions are well meant. The onus must always be on individuals and organisations to act in responsible ways, which is why the law already recognises that, through the “controlling mind” principle. Imperfect though the current state of affairs is, the matter requires to be addressed very carefully indeed.

Given the circumstances that we face as we come to the end of the current legislative session, the matter would perhaps, if it is thought appropriate to do so, best be considered and acted on in the next session of Parliament.

15:53  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23917, in the name of Claire Baker, on the Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I ask those who ...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am very proud to be introducing this debate on the Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill today. Families across Scotland who have suffered the death of a love...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Adam Tomkins to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee for up to five minutes, please. 15:23
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I begin by saying that the Scottish Government has a great deal of sympathy with families who have lost a relative while attending their workplace. We apprec...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. The Scottish Conservatives will vote against the principles of the Culpable Homicide (Scotland)...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I begin by paying tribute to Claire Baker. Introducing a member’s bill takes tenacity and hard work and she has displayed both. The bill recognises that too...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I congratulate Claire Baker and her team on getting the bill this far. I am a signatory to the bill and the Scottish Green Party will support it at decision ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask for three-minute speeches, please. 15:47
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Culpable homicide legislation needs to be updated, and the bill has been introduced with the intention of doing that. Much of the case law and, indeed, the l...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives’ approach to the bill has been outlined by my colleague Liam Kerr. I need not repeat what he has said, but perhaps one or two comm...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Hazards, along with trade unions and campaign lawyer Patrick McGuire from Thompsons Solicitors Scotland, has always said that families who are affec...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I pay tribute to Claire Baker for the work that she has put into a member’s bill that deals with an important issue and means so much to families who are aff...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, pay tribute to Claire Baker for the immense work that she has put into researching, consulting on and drafting this member’s bill, and I thank the Ju...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Humza Yousaf, who has up to four minutes. 16:03
Humza Yousaf SNP
I welcome today’s debate. I am disappointed by some of the characterisations in the debate, particularly from Labour members, and the suggestion that those w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse my interrupting, cabinet secretary, but you are difficult to hear. Can you speak closer to your microphone?
Humza Yousaf SNP
It has been suggested that those who, for good reasons, oppose the bill somehow do not understand the struggles of, or sympathise with the feelings of, the f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please.
Humza Yousaf SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Claire Baker to wind up the debate. I can give you up to five minutes, Ms Baker. 16:10
Claire Baker Lab
I thank members for their contributions to the debate. I recognise that the process of scrutinising the bill has been curtailed, and I appreciate the conside...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Baker. That concludes the debate on the Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.