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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 20 January 2021

20 Jan 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Care Workforce
Gougeon, Mairi SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

The First Minister talked a lot about that in response to the questions that she received at First Minister’s question time earlier today. There have been issues to do with the quantity of vaccine, the number of doses that come in the packs and how the packs are distributed. However, we are in regular contact with boards to find out whether there are any problems with supply. As I said, we are working extremely hard to ensure that we iron out those problems as far as we possibly can. Just because we are allocated a certain amount of vaccine, that does not necessarily mean that that amount of vaccine will automatically be delivered to us.

We want to make the process as easy and as streamlined as possible and get the supplies out as fast as we can, and we are continually working to do that. This week, we will write to all GPs to explain in more detail the mechanism of supply, ordering and delivery, and we will include suggested solutions at local board level that can assist them. I hope that that is helpful in answering Mr Greene’s question.

Home care staff are being vaccinated as part of the front-line health and social care worker group, as per the recommendations of the JCVI. Testing for home care staff started on Monday and it includes care-at-home staff in sheltered housing and day care and personal assistants. That marks a significant expansion of testing in social care, adding again to the layers of protection that are in place for our key workers, the people they serve and our communities.

Like vaccination, testing is a layer of protection, but it has to be supported by appropriate PPE and strict hand hygiene. The reason why we are following that advice is to prevent more people from dying. By following the advice, we prevent more people who are vulnerable to serious illness and death from requiring NHS care, and thereby protect the NHS.

I do not need to tell anyone in the chamber that the situation remains precarious and extremely serious. The pressure on the NHS is severe and it is increasing.? There has been a rapid rise in the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations in the past two weeks, fuelled by the new variant strain, and we are at the highest rate in the pandemic to date.

The Scottish Government is in daily communication with health boards and their planning partners to ensure that we use the whole country’s capacity appropriately. We have already doubled ICU capacity since the start of the pandemic, and we have the ability to treble it, subject to staffing. NHS Scotland is using the independent sector to ensure that clinically urgent patients can continue to be seen and treated, and that additional support comes on top of the extra capacity that is already being provided by the NHS Golden Jubilee and NHS Louisa Jordan hospitals for a number of elective treatments and out-patient appointments.

Since the start of the pandemic, we have worked hard to ensure that infection prevention and control measures in hospitals and other care settings are robust, and we expect our health boards to have the highest standards. However, we know that, as community prevalence rises, so too does the number of hospital-onset cases. In line with increases in community prevalence, we have seen the number of hospital-onset cases increase since October last year.

Although transmission of Covid-19 is more likely where people are in enclosed settings, including in hospitals, we have robust IPC measures in place. They include risk-assessed patient care pathways, the appropriate use of PPE, extended use of face masks and coverings in all areas of the hospital, physical distancing, robust outbreak management, and testing to minimise nosocomial transmission as far as possible.

The guidance is developed by IPC experts on a four-nations basis and it is continually reviewed in the light of new and emerging evidence. Although there is currently no evidence of a clinical need to change the guidance, I understand that the chief nursing officer keeps it under active review and engages with staff representatives on the PPE guidance and the use of FFP3 masks. I believe that staff should be able to exercise the risk assessment process to have access to the PPE that is considered professionally necessary.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23894, in the name of Monica Lennon, on protecting Scotland’s health and care workforce. 15:16
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On behalf of the Scottish Labour Party, I begin with a tribute to all the healthcare staff on the front line of the pandemic, who are working hard in the mos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I take the member’s point that we want staff to be vaccinated first, but she argues that they should get a second dose before older people; how does she hand...
Monica Lennon Lab
With respect to John Mason, I say that it is not Labour members who have been putting older people further down the queue during the pandemic; what has happe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
On PPE, I am sure that the member will recall the agreement that I reached with the relevant unions and with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities tha...
Monica Lennon Lab
I welcome that intervention. I think that the people who are managing staff then revert back to Government guidance, and the Government guidance is out of da...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I did not want to interrupt you, but there are a few minutes in hand for interventions, so you should perhaps bear that in mind if you are summing up. I cal...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
Getting Scotland vaccinated against Covid-19 is indeed the country’s national priority, and it is a fundamental part of Scotland’s strategic framework for de...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for what is a very helpful update. I am not seeking to apportion blame, but if there are GPs who are expecting supplies and those suppl...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The First Minister talked a lot about that in response to the questions that she received at First Minister’s question time earlier today. There have been is...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister is in her final minute, but you may intervene if you are prepared to be very quick, as you are leading the debate. I will leave it up to you and...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I am happy to take the intervention.
Monica Lennon Lab
I am grateful. It was remiss of me not to welcome Mairi Gougeon to her new post. I did not realise that she was going to open the debate. I welcome her. The...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I will be happy to get back to the member on that issue in more detail. Of course, the best way to ensure that our health service is protected and to limit ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that you cannot.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
It is just a final, brief point, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please make it in a sentence.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The vaccination programme is the largest logistical operation that Scotland has seen in peacetime, and it is functioning well. We have already vaccinated a h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I cannot remember whether you moved your amendment, minister.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I move amendment S5M-23894.3, to leave out from “notes the concern” to end and insert: “believes that the deployment of the vaccine must be guided by the ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry to give you such a hard time at your debut in your post, minister. I call Maurice Golden to speak to and move amendment S5M-23894.1.
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I believe that Donald Cameron is supposed to open for the Conservatives, but I am happy to do so and to move the amendment in his name.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Should it be Donald Cameron? I do not see him anywhere around.
Maurice Golden Con
He is joining virtually.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I stand to be corrected, but my little script says that Maurice Golden is opening and Donald Cameron is closing. I think that we had better leave it like tha...
Maurice Golden Con
Let us see. I will get on to Miles Briggs. 15:40
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The pandemic has challenged us all in ways that we could never have imagined. NHS staff have been on the front line since day 1, putting themselves at risk e...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Maurice Golden Con
Yes, I am happy to do so.