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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 20 January 2021

20 Jan 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Care Workforce
Gougeon, Mairi SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

Getting Scotland vaccinated against Covid-19 is indeed the country’s national priority, and it is a fundamental part of Scotland’s strategic framework for dealing with Covid. It is critical to getting society back to some kind of normality. All staff who are involved in this unprecedented vaccination programme—from those who were vaccinating at the Louisa Jordan hospital last Saturday to the GPs serving our over-80s in their local communities—deserve our thanks and support. I join Monica Lennon in paying tribute to all the staff who are working so hard to deliver the programme.

As the cabinet secretary previously outlined to Parliament, to deliver 400,000 doses per week by the end of February, working from national modelling, we estimate that we could need around 3,400 vaccinators on a daily basis, depending on the proportion of staff who work part time. To date, around 7,700 vaccinators have registered with the vaccination management tool, and we continue to work with our health boards to encourage further expansion of the workforce to build in resilience.

That workforce is being drawn from right across the system—it includes people who are involved in flu vaccination, health board staff, GPs, dentists, optometrists and military personnel—and we have commissioned the British Red Cross to co-ordinate offers of unpaid volunteer support across the country.

We will make training for vaccinators as straightforward as possible. I know that the point is one that was raised earlier with the First Minister, and it is important to be clear about it. Many of the people who are administering vaccines are already experienced and active vaccinators, but training is still needed to cover the specific characteristics of the Covid-19 vaccinations. For those who are not experienced, even though they may have years of clinical experience, safety tells us that they need that training plus a bit more.

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde has already reviewed and streamlined its generic induction training requirements, and we have written to all health boards to ensure that they do the same.

In relation to vaccination priority, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has rightly prioritised front-line health and social care workers, and we have already covered more than 70 per cent of that cohort. Many of those workers will get their second dose around the end of February. We need to be crystal clear about the implications of what would happen if we were to do as the Labour motion proposes and prioritise second doses for all front-line health and social care workers before end of February. That would come at a cost for some of our most vulnerable people. It would divert limited vaccine stock away from protecting people over 70 and those on the shielding list who are clinically extremely vulnerable. Individuals in those cohorts are at high risk from Covid illness and death.

The advice from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, the JCVI and the chief medical officers of all four nations supports our approach. We have also had support from trusted professional bodies such as the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges and Faculties in Scotland—the Scottish Academy—the British Society of Immunology and the Royal Pharmaceutical Society.

In the situation that we find ourselves in at the moment, the efficacy that is offered by the first dose of vaccine is very good. Therefore, for the prevention of illness and death among the population and for our public health response to the pandemic, we are following the guidance and the position that has been agreed.

On vaccine supply, GPs have a significant role to play in delivering the vaccine, especially at this stage of the programme, and we are grateful for their hard work. We know that there have been some initial delays in supply reaching some GP practices, and we are working with national procurement and local health boards to resolve any issues. We are also in regular contact with boards to ensure that GPs have the most up-to-date information on vaccine supply.

AstraZeneca is working hard to increase its deliveries, and quantities will start to improve from the end of this month, but it is important to highlight that, as the First Minister mentioned earlier, 75 per cent of GP practices have already received or are in the process of getting vaccine supplies, and we are still on track to have vaccinated all those people in JCVI priority groups 1 and 2 by the first week in February. We want to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible, and we are continually working hard to see whether distribution can be speeded up.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23894, in the name of Monica Lennon, on protecting Scotland’s health and care workforce. 15:16
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On behalf of the Scottish Labour Party, I begin with a tribute to all the healthcare staff on the front line of the pandemic, who are working hard in the mos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I take the member’s point that we want staff to be vaccinated first, but she argues that they should get a second dose before older people; how does she hand...
Monica Lennon Lab
With respect to John Mason, I say that it is not Labour members who have been putting older people further down the queue during the pandemic; what has happe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
On PPE, I am sure that the member will recall the agreement that I reached with the relevant unions and with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities tha...
Monica Lennon Lab
I welcome that intervention. I think that the people who are managing staff then revert back to Government guidance, and the Government guidance is out of da...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I did not want to interrupt you, but there are a few minutes in hand for interventions, so you should perhaps bear that in mind if you are summing up. I cal...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
Getting Scotland vaccinated against Covid-19 is indeed the country’s national priority, and it is a fundamental part of Scotland’s strategic framework for de...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for what is a very helpful update. I am not seeking to apportion blame, but if there are GPs who are expecting supplies and those suppl...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The First Minister talked a lot about that in response to the questions that she received at First Minister’s question time earlier today. There have been is...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister is in her final minute, but you may intervene if you are prepared to be very quick, as you are leading the debate. I will leave it up to you and...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I am happy to take the intervention.
Monica Lennon Lab
I am grateful. It was remiss of me not to welcome Mairi Gougeon to her new post. I did not realise that she was going to open the debate. I welcome her. The...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I will be happy to get back to the member on that issue in more detail. Of course, the best way to ensure that our health service is protected and to limit ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that you cannot.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
It is just a final, brief point, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please make it in a sentence.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The vaccination programme is the largest logistical operation that Scotland has seen in peacetime, and it is functioning well. We have already vaccinated a h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I cannot remember whether you moved your amendment, minister.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I move amendment S5M-23894.3, to leave out from “notes the concern” to end and insert: “believes that the deployment of the vaccine must be guided by the ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry to give you such a hard time at your debut in your post, minister. I call Maurice Golden to speak to and move amendment S5M-23894.1.
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I believe that Donald Cameron is supposed to open for the Conservatives, but I am happy to do so and to move the amendment in his name.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Should it be Donald Cameron? I do not see him anywhere around.
Maurice Golden Con
He is joining virtually.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I stand to be corrected, but my little script says that Maurice Golden is opening and Donald Cameron is closing. I think that we had better leave it like tha...
Maurice Golden Con
Let us see. I will get on to Miles Briggs. 15:40
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The pandemic has challenged us all in ways that we could never have imagined. NHS staff have been on the front line since day 1, putting themselves at risk e...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Maurice Golden Con
Yes, I am happy to do so.