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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 December 2020

22 Dec 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I want to set out the reasoning for lodging my amendments. I will try to keep my remarks on each group short and to the point, because I am conscious that this will be a long day.

My amendments throughout stage 3 speak to the fact that, fundamentally, it is for the Parliament to legislate. I welcome the changes that have been made at stage 2, particularly with regard to limiting the duration, which the keeping pace power should continue, but I remain concerned that the process of leaving the EU should not open the door to bypassing parliamentary procedure.

When the Parliament decides to delegate powers, there should be clear, good reasons for doing so, and it is important that the limits of that delegation are clearly defined. In doing so, we reinforce the principle that delegated powers should never be used as a substitute for policy development. The question that we have to ask is whether the powers in section 1 of the bill are appropriate or whether they should be limited by being available only to ensure that existing standards in retained EU law keep pace with evolving standards.

While it might be reasonable to accept that keeping pace with EU law might not always be practical through the creation of primary legislation, there is no doubt that there is a difference between refining retained EU law to keep pace and keeping pace with new policy developments in future EU law where there is currently no equivalent in retained EU law. Amendment 4 therefore seeks to ensure that the principle that delegated powers should never be used as a substitute for policy development is followed.

The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, Europe and External Affairs’s recommendation, in his response to the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee—I believe that it went to the Finance and Constitution Committee as well—that the wording in section 1(2)(f)(ii) be altered, suggests that the amendment is unnecessary and unhelpful, because the Government wishes to have greater flexibility to deal with unforeseen circumstances. However, the current wording, “appropriate to retain”, confers wider powers, as the definition of appropriate does not limit policy making by delegation. I will listen with interest to the cabinet secretary’s position on why it is appropriate—no pun intended—to deal with unforeseen circumstances that lead to new policy by enabling it to be dealt with by delegation rather than in the bill.

Amendments 5 and 6 relate to sub-delegated powers. The current wording in section 1, which would enable the Scottish Government to delegate powers to a public authority or the authority’s nominee to make regulations or provide funding, does not meet the test of the principle of delegated powers, as it neither limits the delegated authority nor defines it; rather, it opens the back door to creating new policy, enabling the incorporation of future EU laws into our domestic laws through delegated powers. The lack of clarity on the necessity to enable sub-delegation is a significant issue.

In relation to amendment 8, I am of the view that those powers are not an appropriate vehicle to make new regulations.

I move amendment 4.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We turn to stage 3 proceedings on the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the power to make provision corresponding to European Union law. Amendment 4, in the name of Michelle Ballantyne, is grouped with amendments 5,...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Ind) Ind
I want to set out the reasoning for lodging my amendments. I will try to keep my remarks on each group short and to the point, because I am conscious that th...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
We will support Michelle Ballantyne’s amendments in the group. As we have just heard, amendments 4, 5 and 6 are based on recommendations of the Delegated Pow...
The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, Europe and External Affairs (Michael Russell) SNP
I thank all those who have worked with the Government to try to improve the bill since its introduction. The bill today is significantly better than when it ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Michelle Ballantyne to wind up on group 1 and to press or withdraw amendment 4.
Michelle Ballantyne Ind
Mike Russell is correct that I did not have any meetings with him about those amendments, but they were all back and forth from the Delegated Powers and Law ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 4 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
We will suspend for five minutes so that I can summon members to the chamber and allow members who are joining us remotely to access the voting app. 15:34 M...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the vote on amendment 4, in the name of Michelle Ballantyne. This will be a one-minute division. The vote is now closed. If any member believes t...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 26, Against 89, Abstentions 0. Amendment 4 disagreed to. Amendment 5 moved—Michelle Ballantyne.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 5 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a one-minute division. The vote is now closed. If any member had difficulty voting please let me know. For Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 26, Against 90, Abstentions 0. Amendment 5 disagreed to. Amendment 6 moved—Michelle Ballantyne.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 6 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a one-minute division. The vote is now closed. For Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) Ballantyne, Michelle (South Scotland) (Ind) Bowman, Bil...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 25, Against 90, Abstentions 0. Amendment 6 disagreed to. After section 1
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to group 2, on the section 1(1) power and the purpose of maintaining and advancing standards. Amendment 7, in the name of Angela Constance, is groupe...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak to amendments 7, 22, 23 and 30 in the name of Angela Constance. I take the opportunity to congratulate her on her ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join Tom Arthur in congratulating Angela Constance on her reappointment as a minister and wishing her well in that important role. I also thank her for the...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I will briefly make some comments similar to Liam McArthur’s. At stage 2, a great many members, including Angela Constance—who I also congratulate on her rea...
Dean Lockhart Con
I also congratulate Angela Constance on her very recent appointment. Amendment 7 refers to a number of important areas in which keeping pace powers may be u...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Alex Rowley wishes to contribute before the minister comes in.
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Thank you. I concur with what has been said, although I do not agree with Dean Lockhart. By working together, we have achieved a better bill. The cabinet sec...
Michael Russell SNP
I would not want Mr Lockhart’s remarks to imply that the bill does not have wide support among stakeholders. It does. Any bill will have criticisms of small ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Russell SNP
Of course. Members: Oh!
Michael Russell SNP
Well, you know.
Mark Ruskell Green
I was enjoying the flow of the cabinet secretary’s speech, so I thank him for giving way. Will environmental standards Scotland have a role in advising on th...
Michael Russell SNP
There will be no constraints on organisations of any sort in that regard. Indeed, when the Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform ...