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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee 17 December 2020

17 Dec 2020 · S5 · Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Item of business
Scottish General Election (Coronavirus) Bill: Stage 2
Yes. There is a lot to respond to. What we have heard is an illustration of why amendment 18 is useful in so far as it provokes discussion. As you might imagine, we are opposed to the amendment. I will go through our reasons for that and I will then respond to the points that members have made. I understand why reducing the amount of time in which people can apply for a postal vote has attracted attention. It is counterintuitive when we are talking about aiming to significantly increase postal voting from 18 per cent of the electorate to 40 or even 50 per cent. I say to Mr Findlay that that figure is worth reflecting on—I would contend that we are hardly being conservative in our ambitions with that planned increase. However, by moving the deadline from 20 April to 6 April, section 3 of the bill makes a change that was directly requested by electoral professionals. Indeed, it is probably one of the key changes in the bill from their perspective, given that electoral registration officers will have to process around 900,000 new applications to achieve that increase to 40 per cent. Processing postal vote applications poses a challenge for EROs ahead of any polling day, with many people choosing to apply on or close to the application deadline. Amendment 18 risks it not being possible to process the expected increase in applications. Electoral professionals have been clear that that would risk some people effectively losing their vote. While in-person voting would remain an option for those individuals, if voters have chosen to apply to vote by post, it is safe to assume that they either cannot or do not want to vote in person. From my perspective, it would be unacceptable if those who have applied for a postal vote by the application deadline were denied their vote because it could not be processed in time. It would impinge on the legitimacy of the election. Rather than increasing participation, amendment 18 could end up depriving people of their vote if they cannot vote in person or by proxy, which I know is not what Mr Sarwar wants. Electoral professionals have also made it clear that that is not a problem that can be resolved by resources alone, and the committee took evidence to that effect. We have already agreed an initial allocation of £3 million to assist EROs with that and further funding will be made available as actual costs are incurred. I will expand on that in a second, if I may. It is a question of training, managing systems and having the necessary expertise in place. That takes time; we need to give the experts in our electoral community the time that they need to do their jobs. That means building in resilience to ensure that all the postal vote applications can be processed and postal votes issued in time. Supporting amendment 18 would ignore the expert advice that we have received and open us up to a risky course of action that could prevent some voters from voting, which is unthinkable. 09:45 I will respond to some of the points that have been made. Mr Sarwar is correct that the mitigation that he seeks is to be found in early information campaigns. From my perspective, those need to be delivered locally, so that the interaction is between local EROs and electors. As members appreciate, this is an expedited bill and we are moving through it quickly. We are looking to have a meeting at the beginning of next week with the Electoral Commission and the Electoral Management Board for Scotland to tease out exactly what is happening on the ground with regard to those campaigns, although, obviously, we have a broad idea. At the moment, in some constituencies, there is already a higher than average uptake of postal votes. In some constituencies, within the £3 million that is available to them, the EROs have already committed to localised campaigns. We will actively encourage others among the 15 EROs to do just that, using whatever means they feel appropriate. A £2 million budget is sitting there and the Government is committed to putting more money into that if it is needed. That interaction between the EROs and the local electorate is pivotal, with campaigns tailored to local circumstances. I will be happy to report back to members at stage 3 about how we have progressed that. Maureen Watt talked about processing close to the deadline. In 2016, 3 per cent of postal votes were not counted because of issues that were identified in the ratification process. Therefore, there is an issue there, which is one of the things that has fed into the bill. We need to give maximum opportunity to the electoral authorities to maximise the chance of postal votes being deemed valid. With regard to Patrick Harvie’s point about capacity, the capacity that is provided for at the moment is not just for 40 per cent; it allows for a surge to 50 per cent. I think that the committee received evidence from Pete Wildman about that. We have a capacity to handle 40 per cent, with a bit of leeway in the final couple of weeks up to the deadline, in case of a significant surge, such as 40 per cent going up to 50 per cent. Therefore, I give the assurance that Anas Sarwar was seeking. We can counter the downside of an earlier deadline by getting that information out earlier and encouraging a smooth but significant uptake of postal votes if people feel that they need them.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Bill Kidd) SNP
I welcome members to the 25th meeting of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee in 2020. Our first item is stage 2 proceedings on the Sc...
The Convener SNP
We come to the first group, on the deadline for application for postal votes. Amendment 18, in the name of Anas Sarwar, is the only amendment in the group.
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Good morning, convener, and good morning to the committee. Thank you for your time this morning. At the outset, I emphasise what I said in the stage 1 deba...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Anas Sarwar is raising issues on which many of us have expressed concern. However, it would be more consistent with the evidence that we took at stage 1 for ...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I have a similar concern. We are told that we are looking at a take-up of under 40 per cent and that we are preparing for take-up of 50 per cent. My concern ...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I have real concerns about that. I recognise some of the points that have been made, and I appreciate, to some extent, where Anas Sarwar is coming from. The ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I understand why we have a deadline for postal vote applications. It is not just about checking that the postal vote application is correct but ensuring that...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Thank you, convener. I agree with Patrick Harvie on this. Two issues are being conflated, and section 3 should remain, for the reasons that we heard in evide...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The conservative nature of what is being said—that we simply cannot organise this, it is all so difficult and we do not have the resources—is depressing. A c...
The Convener SNP
Jamie Halcro Johnston can come in quickly—I was prompted by hearing Neil Findlay say that people were being conservative at the moment.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
I am not sure whether we can intervene at this stage. I am sure that the member will recognise that there will be potential bumps along the road, whatever re...
The Convener SNP
Would the minister like to respond?
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
Yes. There is a lot to respond to. What we have heard is an illustration of why amendment 18 is useful in so far as it provokes discussion. As you might ima...
The Convener SNP
I call Anas Sarwar to wind up and press or withdraw amendment 18.
Anas Sarwar Lab
I will pick up on a few points. I think that Neil Findlay is right that it seems as if we have a “can’t do” attitude to some of that, rather than a “can do” ...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 1, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 2, 3, 19 and 20.
Graeme Dey SNP
Section 4 sets out the requirements for the report that the Scottish ministers are obliged to publish after the new deadline for postal vote applications. Th...
Anas Sarwar Lab
I am happy to work with the minister on his suggested reworking of amendment 19 for stage 3. I think—and hope—that we both want the same outcome from the ame...
Neil Findlay Lab
Amendment 20 would require ministers to report on the number of electors who have not applied for a postal vote by 7 April 2021, which is a month before the ...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am pleased that the Government seems willing to work with Anas Sarwar on a replacement for his amendment 19. When I read the amendment, its intention seeme...
The Convener SNP
I ask the minister to wind up.
Graeme Dey SNP
First, I thank Anas Sarwar for his constructive approach on amendment 19. The point has been made that the number of electors—the people who are registered...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 20 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab) Against Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Gree...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 6, Abstentions 0. Amendment 20 disagreed to. Amendment 3 moved—Graeme Dey—and agreed to. Section 4, as amend...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 21, on the return of postal vote to be free of charge, is in a group on its own.
Anas Sarwar Lab
Amendment 21 is simple. It connects to what I said at the outset of our discussion this morning. The bill cannot simply be about raising awareness of the abi...
Patrick Harvie Green
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Neil Findlay Lab
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Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
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