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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 09 December 2020

09 Dec 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Economy

This is a really important debate and it is long overdue. The public health response to Covid-19 has been largely understandable, but let us be frank that the consequences of the pandemic have been extremely damaging and life changing for many people, and not in a good way. Livelihoods have been lost, the hopes and dreams of young people as they leave school or university have been put on hold or maybe dashed for ever, and people have lost careers.

All MSPs know that businesses have suffered, too. We know that there has been a colossal response from the UK Government because there had to be, and the Scottish Government, too, deserves praise for the work that it has put in. I was delighted to hear Kate Forbes announce earlier today that extra money will be dished out on a sectoral basis. However, we have not been able to help everyone, and people have fallen through the cracks.

Maurice Golden mentioned the hospitality sector, which is important not just to those who work in it but to all of us. It is been hollowed out and, to be frank, I fear for what will be left. We cannot force businesses to close and not fully reimburse them, but that is what has happened. Members will have received an email from the Scottish Beer & Pub Association, which highlights the difficulties that will be caused by Edinburgh being kept at level 3. It says that that decision could cost the sector £3.2 million between now and January and will see pubs close down. That is not good.

Too many businesses and people have struggled to get help. People such as taxi drivers, who have been mentioned in the debate, and sole traders who have not been in business for long have not received anything. Cabbies will have been pleased to hear about the £19 million from Kate Forbes to cover fixed costs, because, as we heard from Unite the Union today, many drivers are regularly working 16 to 17-hour days, with a shift being determined as having been good if £50 is cleared. The Unite survey shows that 30 per cent of drivers have been unable to access any financial help from Government support schemes. According to the Federation of Small Businesses, one in five of its members in Scotland has had no support from the Scottish Government, so it is right that we are calling for a review to see where the gaps are.

For example, the Covid-19 strategic framework business fund is, on the face of it, a good idea. It is for businesses that are required to close by law?or to significantly change their operations due to restrictions that apply from 2 November. However, in the application pages on North Lanarkshire Council’s website, if someone answers “no” to the question

“Was your business trading on the 2nd November 2020?”

they are told that they are

“not eligible”.

That is clearly a mistake—at least, I hope that it is. That sort of confusion should not be happening.

It would be easy to dismiss the idea of a coronavirus business advisory council as just another task force of the kind that Opposition parties call for—I have done that sort of thing myself. However, throughout this pandemic, Douglas Ross has been positive and his ideas have been helpful. He made that particular call in a speech to businesses, and he was right do to so, because businesses—the job creators—should be at the heart of Government decision making.

His other good ideas included a call for the SNP Government to co-operate with the UK Government to ensure parity of taxes between online and physical businesses. Mr Ross is nothing if not an optimist, and we should repay his optimism by supporting Maurice Golden’s motion.

17:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23622, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the economy. I call Maurice Golden to speak to and move the mo...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The motion is about protecting jobs by ensuring better support in three key areas: grant support, taxation and the clear and consistent setting of regulation...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Will the member recognise that that is a false analysis? That figure is based on those pubs remaining open, which is not the circumstance that we are in now....
Maurice Golden Con
I do not see it as a false analysis at all. Ultimately, a pub with monthly costs of more than £13,000 cannot keep going on that level of grant support, which...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP
Does Maurice Golden agree that the Scottish Government’s ability to provide the 100 per cent relief for retail, hospitality and leisure is contingent on cons...
Maurice Golden Con
We already have £1.3 billion in extra funding from the UK Government, and if the SNP had managed to grow the economy since 2007, we would have more cash righ...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I look forward to the Conservatives supporting my amendment to the motion. I could not help but notice that, in yesterday’s Finance and Constitution Committe...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister tell us when applications will open for taxi drivers?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
We are currently working with local government colleagues on that, and we hope to open applications as soon as possible. I am happy to come back to Elaine Sm...
Maurice Golden Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
How long do I have, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are just closing, minister.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Golden will have to forgive me. Ultimately, we could do much more to support our businesses and wider economic recovery if we had greater fiscal flexibil...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to speak to and move amendment S5M-23622.2. You have up to four minutes, Mr Rowley. 16:44
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
The idea that we could build consensus is important. We must do so because, at the end of the day, people’s jobs are on the line out there. As we come up to ...
Maurice Golden Con
Does Mr Rowley think that workers at BiFab, and indeed throughout Scotland, have been let down by the SNP Government?
Alex Rowley Lab
There is a wider debate to be had about how we can build back the Scottish economy, and specifically about the renewable energy sector, on which the country ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I recognise that time is constrained, so I will be brief. I assure Mr Rowley that I meet STUC representatives weekly. I recently met Pat Rafferty of Unite to...
Alex Rowley Lab
That is good news. However, I will quote what Pat Rafferty has said: “The stories shared by taxi drivers in our survey is heartbreaking and clearly shows a ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the chance to take part in the debate. I doubt that it will come as a huge surprise to members in the chamber that the Greens do not back everythin...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Today’s debate is a bit of a side show. It is a side show because the answers that businesses are desperate for are locked in the secret process of negotiati...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be a strict four minutes, as we are a bit pushed for time. 16:57
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests. Despite valiant efforts by businesses and their employees up and down Scotland, there ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, Ms Hamilton. There are two gentlemen who are being very rude while you are speaking, and I ask them to desist.
Rachael Hamilton Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Our union of four nations has wrapped its arms around Scotland and cushioned us from an unprecedented economic shock by protec...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Time is very short, as I said. I ask members to please bear that in mind. 17:02
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Conservatives’ motion calls on the Scottish Government “to provide certainty for businesses next year by committing to extending the non-domestic rates ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind everyone that we are pushed for time. 17:07
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This is a really important debate and it is long overdue. The public health response to Covid-19 has been largely understandable, but let us be frank that th...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
It is a tale of two responses: one by the SNP-led Scottish Government for businesses in Scotland, and the other by the Tory-led Government for businesses whe...