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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 09 December 2020

09 Dec 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Economy
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

We are currently working with local government colleagues on that, and we hope to open applications as soon as possible. I am happy to come back to Elaine Smith with details, when those are available.

Just as it is important that we support businesses, it is important that we ensure that we support their workforces. Mr Golden’s motion fails to mention that—a mere oversight on his part, I am sure.

I consider it vital that we take this opportunity to signal the importance of that support to employers, and my amendment cites the Covid-19 fair work agreement that we have jointly endorsed with organisations such as the Institute of Directors, the Scottish Council for Development and Industry and the Scottish Trades Union Congress. That underlines the collaborative approach that is needed as we work our way through the crisis.

I turn to the motion that is before us. Further to the exchange between Ben Macpherson and Maurice Golden, I want to make clear that we would also like to be able to provide clarity for businesses on rates relief, but it is difficult to do so at this stage—the limitations of the devolution settlement mean that our ability to continue to offer relief next year is contingent on the UK budget extending the equivalent policy in England and generating consequential funding.

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance has been clear that, should the UK Government introduce such an extension, we are committed to creating a tailored package of business support measures, including on rates relief, which best meets Scotland’s needs. On that basis, the assistance of Mr Golden and his colleagues in making the case to their colleagues in the UK Government would be welcome. I did not hear him offer that assistance a moment ago, but I would be happy to hear him offer it any time that he is willing to do so.

On an issue that both my amendment and Mr Rowley’s amendment mention, we know that some larger businesses such as supermarkets have pledged to reimburse the Scottish Government for the rates relief offered at the outset of the pandemic. I welcome that decision and call on other businesses that are able to follow suit to do so.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23622, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the economy. I call Maurice Golden to speak to and move the mo...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The motion is about protecting jobs by ensuring better support in three key areas: grant support, taxation and the clear and consistent setting of regulation...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Will the member recognise that that is a false analysis? That figure is based on those pubs remaining open, which is not the circumstance that we are in now....
Maurice Golden Con
I do not see it as a false analysis at all. Ultimately, a pub with monthly costs of more than £13,000 cannot keep going on that level of grant support, which...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP
Does Maurice Golden agree that the Scottish Government’s ability to provide the 100 per cent relief for retail, hospitality and leisure is contingent on cons...
Maurice Golden Con
We already have £1.3 billion in extra funding from the UK Government, and if the SNP had managed to grow the economy since 2007, we would have more cash righ...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I look forward to the Conservatives supporting my amendment to the motion. I could not help but notice that, in yesterday’s Finance and Constitution Committe...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister tell us when applications will open for taxi drivers?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
We are currently working with local government colleagues on that, and we hope to open applications as soon as possible. I am happy to come back to Elaine Sm...
Maurice Golden Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
How long do I have, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are just closing, minister.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Golden will have to forgive me. Ultimately, we could do much more to support our businesses and wider economic recovery if we had greater fiscal flexibil...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to speak to and move amendment S5M-23622.2. You have up to four minutes, Mr Rowley. 16:44
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
The idea that we could build consensus is important. We must do so because, at the end of the day, people’s jobs are on the line out there. As we come up to ...
Maurice Golden Con
Does Mr Rowley think that workers at BiFab, and indeed throughout Scotland, have been let down by the SNP Government?
Alex Rowley Lab
There is a wider debate to be had about how we can build back the Scottish economy, and specifically about the renewable energy sector, on which the country ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I recognise that time is constrained, so I will be brief. I assure Mr Rowley that I meet STUC representatives weekly. I recently met Pat Rafferty of Unite to...
Alex Rowley Lab
That is good news. However, I will quote what Pat Rafferty has said: “The stories shared by taxi drivers in our survey is heartbreaking and clearly shows a ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the chance to take part in the debate. I doubt that it will come as a huge surprise to members in the chamber that the Greens do not back everythin...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Today’s debate is a bit of a side show. It is a side show because the answers that businesses are desperate for are locked in the secret process of negotiati...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be a strict four minutes, as we are a bit pushed for time. 16:57
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests. Despite valiant efforts by businesses and their employees up and down Scotland, there ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, Ms Hamilton. There are two gentlemen who are being very rude while you are speaking, and I ask them to desist.
Rachael Hamilton Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Our union of four nations has wrapped its arms around Scotland and cushioned us from an unprecedented economic shock by protec...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Time is very short, as I said. I ask members to please bear that in mind. 17:02
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Conservatives’ motion calls on the Scottish Government “to provide certainty for businesses next year by committing to extending the non-domestic rates ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind everyone that we are pushed for time. 17:07
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This is a really important debate and it is long overdue. The public health response to Covid-19 has been largely understandable, but let us be frank that th...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
It is a tale of two responses: one by the SNP-led Scottish Government for businesses in Scotland, and the other by the Tory-led Government for businesses whe...