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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 02 December 2020

02 Dec 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Support
Martin, Gillian SNP Aberdeenshire East Watch on SPTV

This is a time of year when we would normally be talking about small businesses in our respective constituencies and urging people to buy local, support our independent shops and cherish the diversity of offer on our high streets. In Aberdeenshire, those shops are thankfully still open, and those small businesses need our support more than ever. I make this plea to any of my constituents who are watching the debate to please get their Christmas presents, where possible, from the high streets of our market towns of Turriff, Inverurie, Ellon and Oldmeldrum; to support the struggling self-employed microbusinesses that have no Christmas fairs this year; to find their favourite local makers online where they continue to sell; to buy Christmas trees, wreaths and flowers directly from their local florists and garden centres; and to get their turkeys from our farm shops. This year of all years, doing that is more important than ever.

In Scotland, in contrast to other countries, the Government has had to make business support and public health decisions against the backdrop of other impactful decisions that were made in areas over which we do not have control. For the purpose of the debate, the most obvious one is the fiscal arrangement that we have as a devolved nation. The money that we have is the money that we have, and we cannot borrow any more.

With those constraints, the Scottish Government has still been able to deliver more than £2.3 billion-worth of support to a wider range of businesses than has been supported in other parts of the UK. That funding has helped those who have had to temporarily cease trading because of affected supply chains; it has provided grant support, which addresses the issues that the newly self-employed person faces because the UK Government has frankly ignored them; and it has given discretion and flexibility to councils to decide who is eligible. Throughout this period, I and my constituency office team have challenged a few decisions that the local authority has made regarding local businesses, and we have been able to get support to the latter when that flexibility has been a little bit wanting.

Is what we are doing enough? Of course it is not. The full green recovery will take so much more. To borrow 4 per cent of our gross domestic product, as Germany has done, to front load that recovery might be enough. That is what SNP members would like, and it would be immensely helpful if every MSP could get behind the Scottish Government in those calls for borrowing powers and more fiscal flexibility. I am an optimist—what can I say?

I would like to see a renewed focus on any remaining Covid business disruption support for the very small businesses that have fallen between cracks in eligibility—the hardest-hit people from the creative industries, for example, as well as businesses in the beauty and lifestyle, travel, tourism and events sectors, a high proportion of which are, incidentally, women-led. Many are sole traders who operate out of their homes, and we know that they have not had the benefit of furlough or support delivered through the rates system.

I have a plea for more help for those who have graduated from our colleges and universities this year. They do not need more training; they need opportunities. Many of those graduates were hoping to start their freelance careers in the sectors in which salaried secure jobs do not exist and have not existed for some time, such as the creative industries, and they need specific assistance.

I, too, welcome that Tesco is refunding the support that the Scottish Government gave it at the start of the pandemic. The cabinet secretary’s immediate commitment to give that £60 million to those businesses and communities that have been hit hardest during Scotland’s recovery from Covid is absolutely the right one. I hope that other large businesses that are now finding their feet will join Tesco in giving back, so that we can do what we can to redeploy those funds to the small businesses that are finding the situation that much harder.

17:23  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23536, in the name of Richard Leonard, on business support. 16:41
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We are regularly told by the First Minister that the best way to support jobs and businesses is to control the coronavirus, and that there is a direct correl...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
If it were up to Richard Leonard and he was in charge of Scotland, where would he get additional funding from?
Richard Leonard Lab
I will come to that in a minute. If Gillian Martin were to read out the motion, we would hear that there are £2.2 billion-worth of unallocated resources from...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Kate Forbes) SNP
Like many others around the chamber, I speak to businesses every day about the devastating impact of the public health crisis on their trade, operations and ...
Richard Leonard Lab
SPICe.
Kate Forbes SNP
I do not think that Richard Leonard understands what budget revisions are. Above and beyond business support, through the strategic framework, we want to gi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I remind members that we have only four minutes for speeches. 16:53
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
We all want to get to bed early tonight, so we should keep to time. The level of the UK Government intervention in response to the pandemic has been without...
Kate Forbes SNP
Conservative members sit on the Finance and Constitution Committee, which scrutinises budget revisions; those have been made twice and will be made again in ...
Maurice Golden Con
The Fraser of Allander institute has been clear that over £1 billion is unallocated. The Scottish Parliament information centre has said that £2.2 billion is...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the opportunity to debate this issue. The Labour motion acknowledges the critical role of small businesses, not only to our economy but to our comm...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I have worked closely with Kate Forbes on financial support for individuals and businesses, and I have to say that she is good at listening and responding. I...
Kate Forbes SNP
The discretionary funding is available to all local authorities, not just those in level 4.
Willie Rennie LD
That is excellent news. I am glad that that has changed as a result of my speech this afternoon—I will take all the credit for it. I hope that the taxi firms...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
If people think that they understand the scale of the jobs crisis, they need to multiply it significantly. We are witnessing the beginning of a jobs collapse...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will, in a moment. With regard to further education colleges, I have had no contact from them, with one exception. I do not know what they are doing. With...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms McNeill has only four minutes.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Yes—and the debate is on business support. I say to the member that there is a website—Interruption. It was launched in the chamber on 5 November, and every ...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I did not mean to shout over the cabinet secretary, but that was my point: a website is not good enough. In my city of Glasgow, we are worried that there is ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
The debate is very important, and it has provided the Scottish Government with an opportunity to highlight some of the support packages that it has introduce...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
We have heard from around the chamber about some of the challenges that small businesses face. I welcome the opportunity to reflect on those challenges, part...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
This is a time of year when we would normally be talking about small businesses in our respective constituencies and urging people to buy local, support our ...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I listened to the cabinet secretary’s opening comments with an increasing sense of despair. In essence, she said that the assistance that was in place was in...
Kate Forbes SNP
I will make two points. First, as I said in my speech, we will continue to make every penny that we have available to retailers and others who need it most. ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Quite simply, SPICe and the Fraser of Allander institute say that that is not correct. The Scottish Government has not spent every penny that is available to...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the Labour Party for securing the debate, given the unprecedented circumstances o...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I will not take an intervention. Kate Forbes can deal with that point in her closing speech. On the hospitality sector, senior figures from the licensed tra...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The Covid-19 pandemic has brought profound challenges to businesses and communities around the world. Small businesses contribute enormously to our economy a...