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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 02 December 2020

02 Dec 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Support

If people think that they understand the scale of the jobs crisis, they need to multiply it significantly. We are witnessing the beginning of a jobs collapse in what we saw yesterday with the Arcadia group and Debenhams. It is really sad. It flows from the pandemic, but also from the decisions that the Government has made about lockdown restrictions. In listening to Kate Forbes earlier, I did not hear her acknowledge that for many people the situation will kill their businesses—many of those businesses will not be there after the restrictions end.

As Richard Leonard said, the support available for some of those businesses is totally inadequate; if it had been adequate, they would have had a chance of survival. We have locked down retail and hospitality at a time of year when their sales would have seen them through January. Meanwhile, their online competitors are largely unaffected. We need to understand that, because of the restrictions, thousands of businesses will lose out and thousands of jobs will be lost. Therefore, we need a jobs programme like no other, state intervention on a scale that we have never seen before and worker protections and support for businesses such as we have never seen before.

We need conditionality on a living wage on all jobs related to the public sector, but we also need to seek to protect workers in the private sector who do not have the protection of a trade union. There are deep inequalities in who is being supported through the pandemic in the job retention scheme. How many young people in the hospitality sector were dismissed without any protections, who were not in a union and have no security for their future? Many people were not furloughed and tens of thousands of self-employed workers did not qualify for the scheme.

There are far too many gaps and there needs to be an understanding that many people were left with absolutely nothing. I would like to know whether an audit has been done of the fallout from that and whether the Government thinks its plans are the right ones. We need an end to zero-hours contracts, but we also need a proper policy to end evictions so that people who are struggling with their job can have a home and some security until they can get back on their feet.

I want to talk about the young persons guarantee scheme. Every young person has apparently been offered an opportunity in education, jobs or training.

I do not understand why the Government is simply saying that it will help 10,000 people who are over the age of 25. That is not ambitious enough, which tells me that the Government does not understand the scale of the problem.

I welcome the new directorate that has been set up to run the scheme, but I ask the Government for a detailed report. We do not need government-speak about agencies and money—we need to see that the scheme is having an impact on the ground. I do not know any young person, in my family or my community, who has been contacted or knows which website to go on.

We are now nine months down the line, and I do not know anybody who knows what to do if they do not have a job. I am sorry, but that is absolutely not good enough.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23536, in the name of Richard Leonard, on business support. 16:41
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We are regularly told by the First Minister that the best way to support jobs and businesses is to control the coronavirus, and that there is a direct correl...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
If it were up to Richard Leonard and he was in charge of Scotland, where would he get additional funding from?
Richard Leonard Lab
I will come to that in a minute. If Gillian Martin were to read out the motion, we would hear that there are £2.2 billion-worth of unallocated resources from...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Kate Forbes) SNP
Like many others around the chamber, I speak to businesses every day about the devastating impact of the public health crisis on their trade, operations and ...
Richard Leonard Lab
SPICe.
Kate Forbes SNP
I do not think that Richard Leonard understands what budget revisions are. Above and beyond business support, through the strategic framework, we want to gi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I remind members that we have only four minutes for speeches. 16:53
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
We all want to get to bed early tonight, so we should keep to time. The level of the UK Government intervention in response to the pandemic has been without...
Kate Forbes SNP
Conservative members sit on the Finance and Constitution Committee, which scrutinises budget revisions; those have been made twice and will be made again in ...
Maurice Golden Con
The Fraser of Allander institute has been clear that over £1 billion is unallocated. The Scottish Parliament information centre has said that £2.2 billion is...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the opportunity to debate this issue. The Labour motion acknowledges the critical role of small businesses, not only to our economy but to our comm...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I have worked closely with Kate Forbes on financial support for individuals and businesses, and I have to say that she is good at listening and responding. I...
Kate Forbes SNP
The discretionary funding is available to all local authorities, not just those in level 4.
Willie Rennie LD
That is excellent news. I am glad that that has changed as a result of my speech this afternoon—I will take all the credit for it. I hope that the taxi firms...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
If people think that they understand the scale of the jobs crisis, they need to multiply it significantly. We are witnessing the beginning of a jobs collapse...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will, in a moment. With regard to further education colleges, I have had no contact from them, with one exception. I do not know what they are doing. With...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms McNeill has only four minutes.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Yes—and the debate is on business support. I say to the member that there is a website—Interruption. It was launched in the chamber on 5 November, and every ...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I did not mean to shout over the cabinet secretary, but that was my point: a website is not good enough. In my city of Glasgow, we are worried that there is ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
The debate is very important, and it has provided the Scottish Government with an opportunity to highlight some of the support packages that it has introduce...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
We have heard from around the chamber about some of the challenges that small businesses face. I welcome the opportunity to reflect on those challenges, part...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
This is a time of year when we would normally be talking about small businesses in our respective constituencies and urging people to buy local, support our ...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I listened to the cabinet secretary’s opening comments with an increasing sense of despair. In essence, she said that the assistance that was in place was in...
Kate Forbes SNP
I will make two points. First, as I said in my speech, we will continue to make every penny that we have available to retailers and others who need it most. ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Quite simply, SPICe and the Fraser of Allander institute say that that is not correct. The Scottish Government has not spent every penny that is available to...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the Labour Party for securing the debate, given the unprecedented circumstances o...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I will not take an intervention. Kate Forbes can deal with that point in her closing speech. On the hospitality sector, senior figures from the licensed tra...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The Covid-19 pandemic has brought profound challenges to businesses and communities around the world. Small businesses contribute enormously to our economy a...