Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
14
Parties on record
2,095,827
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,095,827 contributions in session S6, 11 May 2026 – 10 Jun 2026. Latest 30 days: 2,655. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 09 Jun 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 25 November 2020

25 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Legal Advice (Publication)

Now we know. We know from today’s speeches, from the briefings to the SNP group and from the reports to their meetings by John Swinney that the Scottish Government has no intention of releasing the legal advice. It has utter contempt for the Parliament and for the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints. It is likely that the Parliament will again vote this evening for the advice to be released, and it looks like that will be completely ignored.

I remind the SNP that, when the UK Government refused to reveal its legal advice on Brexit, the SNP supported a motion tabled by Labour to have that legal advice revealed. It then went on to support a contempt of Parliament motion, which demanded that the UK Government reveal its legal advice on Brexit. That motion was won and the Cabinet Office published the full legal advice the following day. Will the Deputy First Minister publish the legal advice—at the very least the written opinions from the senior counsel, Roddy Dunlop QC?

Rumours abound that senior counsel threatened to resign in the latter stages of the judicial review, so bad was the Scottish Government’s case, yet the civil servants were determined to plough on regardless. I have given the example of the SNP’s support for the release of legal advice in the UK Parliament, but it does not support that release in the Scottish Parliament where it is in control—a clear-cut case of double standards.

Of course, there is precedent. The Scottish Government has released legal advice to the UK bloods inquiry, the child abuse inquiry and the trams inquiry. I should point out that the trams inquiry is not even a formal public inquiry, so why is a parliamentary inquiry a lesser consideration? Why are the women at the centre of this matter, and those who might come forward in the future, not considered more important than trams?

It is essential to understand what went wrong, the grounds on which the policy was challenged, and when it was conceded, in order to learn lessons for the future. The committee needs to see the legal advice in order to do just that. It is central to the committee’s remit, which the SNP agreed with when the committee was established.

I will talk again about the obstruction that the committee faced. I raised the issue previously but will do so again, as it perfectly illustrates how bad things are with the Scottish Government. Early letters from John Swinney said that the Government could not share any information from the judicial review as that was a matter for the Court of Session. That simply was not true. It took the attendance of the Lord Advocate, giving evidence under oath, and a letter from the committee to the Court of Session to expose the Scottish Government’s complete lack of candour. That was not ignorance of how the courts operated, but deliberate obstruction.

I do not know why I continue to be surprised. By its every action, the SNP demonstrates the secrecy and the lack of transparency and openness at the very heart of Government. If John Swinney ignores the motion, he is quite deliberately holding the Parliament and the committee in complete contempt.

I was never a believer in conspiracy theories—they are just a tad too far-fetched for my taste—but the more the SNP refuses to co-operate with a parliamentary committee, the more I think that there might just be something in them. The one thing that one can be sure of is that, despite Mr Swinney and the Scottish Government’s best efforts to dissemble, obstruct and hide everything under a veil of secrecy, we will get to the bottom of this, and the truth will out.

17:32  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23445, in the name of Murdo Fraser, on legal advice. I encourage all members who wish to contribute to pr...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Three weeks ago, Parliament resolved that the Scottish Government should hand over to the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complai...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Earlier this month, when Parliament last debated this issue, I set out the reasons why Scottish ministers considered that the balance of public interest lay ...
Murdo Fraser Con
The Deputy First Minister is aware that the committee has been asking for sight of that legal advice, not in the past three weeks but for many months before ...
John Swinney SNP
I will make two points. The first is that, although the committee has been asking for the legal advice, the Government has been maintaining its position, whi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
The Deputy First Minister’s recollection of the Lord Advocate’s evidence to our committee is correct. One of the things that the Lord Advocate would not disc...
John Swinney SNP
I think that Mr Cole-Hamilton knows the answer to that, but I presume that he raises it so that I can confirm it. The ministerial code prevents me from disc...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
It is tempting to make the same speech that I made the last time we debated this issue, because in the past three weeks, absolutely nothing has changed—not o...
John Swinney SNP
Would Jackie Baillie care to share with Parliament any of the detail of the correspondence that I shared with the committee about the obligations that I am u...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I would be happy to share that. It is available on the website. However, I say to the cabinet secretary that he has had not just the time that the committee ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
Here we go again. As members have already stated, the Parliament expressed its will in unequivocal terms and voted on 4 November. I want to reflect on the qu...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
We should not be having this debate. I say to Government members who will likely criticise the use of parliamentary time for a topic such as this in the midd...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am conscious that this is a debate, so I have given as much time as possible for interventions. However, we are pushed for time, so members have only four ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Three weeks have elapsed since the Scottish Parliament agreed to a motion calling on the Scottish Government to publish all the legal advice that it received...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I start by agreeing with Murdo Fraser when he sympathised with the complainers, which was entirely proper. Let us look at precedents in relation to the disc...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Here we go again. For the second time in three weeks, we are having a debate that concentrates on the release of legal advice pertaining to the judicial revi...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Yesterday, we saw the Parliament at its finest, working across parties to pass an important piece of legislation for people across the whole of Scotland. It ...
Murdo Fraser Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer, I am sure that you are aware that standing orders require members to address the terms of the topic of the debate. We...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I have been following the member’s contribution with close interest, Mr Fraser. He has been making a point. However, he has now made his point with his compa...
James Dornan SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—although I have to say that pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tories is very important to what the debate is all about. As my c...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
As members have said, here we are again. I had thought that the SNP would, after it lost the crucial vote in the chamber three weeks ago on a motion that had...
Shona Robison (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP
I begin by reiterating what I said in the debate on 4 November. I made three points then on the issue of legal advice, and I wish to repeat them. First, as ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Now we know. We know from today’s speeches, from the briefings to the SNP group and from the reports to their meetings by John Swinney that the Scottish Gove...
John Swinney SNP
I will reflect on a couple of the contributions, because they illustrate the arguments that I gave in my opening speech. Stewart Stevenson brought his deep ...
John Swinney SNP
I will develop the point and happily give way to Jackie Baillie. I made the point earlier that ministers today have a duty to ministers in the future, which...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The fundamental difference that John Swinney fails to mention is that we never faced, and lost, a vote in the Parliament and were never in a situation in whi...
John Swinney SNP
That is not the fundamental point; the fundamental point is the maintenance of legal professional privilege, which has existed in law for all time, and which...
Andy Wightman Green
Can we take it from the cabinet secretary’s observations that he has no intention of publishing any legal advice in relation to the judicial review?
John Swinney SNP
I am simply airing to the Parliament the issues with which I have to wrestle. I am the minister who will have to decide on the question, and I am simply airi...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates. I will begin on a bit of a tangent, and I hope th...