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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 17 November 2020

17 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Veterans and Armed Forces Community

As Maurice Corry knows, we cannot instruct health boards to do that, but there is incentivisation through co-funding of the model. Furthermore, I view the future as being based on that model of access right across Scotland. The veterans care network can start to deliver such consistency in what is available, regardless of where in the country someone lives.

A number of members—Alex Rowley, Keith Brown and Annabelle Ewing—mentioned the Black Watch. I associate myself with their views and concerns. I will raise the issue in a virtual call tomorrow with Lieutenant General James Swift, who is chief of defence people. It might be that the story is wrong, but if it is not, I say—as Keith Brown and others have said—let us get together on a cross-party basis and say no to what is being talked of.

Mary Fee noted the importance of mental health services for veterans. I agree entirely. It is a driver for the new network, whether in creating better understanding of veterans’ needs or giving them greater confidence that they will be better understood if they present to mainstream services—the trust that Mary Fee talked about. If they ask for help, they will know that it will be available whatever their locality and on an equitable basis across the whole of Scotland, which is something that Mike Rumbles has championed.

Peter Chapman highlighted, rightly, the role of the military in responding to the challenge that has been set by the pandemic. That has been a timely reminder, for wider society and in relation to employment, of the skills that are gained through military service, and not necessarily just the obvious skills, but many others. I know that a number of departments in the Government have been very impressed by what they have seen in terms of what the military has to offer.

I thank Keith Brown—and others—for the kind words, but I have to acknowledge that I stand here building on the foundations that he established. We would not have made the progress that we have made on veterans issues without his original endeavours—not the least of which was the establishment of the veterans commissioner post.

Maureen Watt recognised the importance of peer mentoring. One of the most striking things that I have seen in my travels as veterans minister was a mentoring service within BT. It recruits proactively from among veterans and has a mentoring service to assist individuals to settle into their roles, which appears to work very well.

I will pick up on the issue about the General Teaching Council for Scotland and get back to Michelle Ballantyne on that. She also talked about spousal employment as an area in which we need to improve. I completely agree. I have made visits to various locations, including Leuchars and Faslane, where I met wives and heard the stories of their experiences. We can undoubtedly do better. Some of the most striking interactions that I have had in my role have been with wives and partners.

If we are honest, there is undoubtedly more that can be done, but I commend the work of companies such as Barclays that have reached out on spousal employment. When I visited Barclays, I was struck by how even little things can make a difference in accommodating spousal employment. There is a lot that we can learn, in both the private and the public sectors.

Jackie Baillie noted her disappointment about the delay to the census. I recognise that disappointment and entirely understand it. I hope that what she has heard from me today, and on other occasions, gives her some comfort that we will not allow a delay in obtaining the data that she was talking about to get in the way of improving service delivery for veterans and their families.

We have heard speeches from around the chamber that have highlighted issues that we already knew of. There is a willingness to pursue those; I look forward to doing that in the coming months.

The debate has been thoughtful and constructive, as debates on this subject tend to be. The Parliament is all the better for that. In keeping with that approach, I commit the Scottish Government to continuing to work collaboratively with our partners in the public, private and charitable sectors, and to continuing to build and develop new and effective partnerships, in order to improve our support for the veterans and armed forces community.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23370, in the name of Graeme Dey, on Scottish Government support for the veterans and armed forces commun...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
I am delighted to present the Scottish Government’s fourth annual update to Parliament on support for the veterans and armed forces community. I advise that ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
For people who have served in the military—a military that has been at war for much of my lifetime—reintegration into civilian life can be challenging. Are w...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Does the member, as a former councillor, agree that some councils do not do enough for veterans or place them highly enough on housing waiting lists?
Alex Rowley Lab
The minister will say more about the issue, which we have discussed. There is a mix across local authorities, but I think that progress is being made in near...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a proud veteran and as convener of the cross-party group on the armed forces and veterans community. I heard the rumour about the Bl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Corry, I have not given you an extra minute; could you begin to wind up? I am smiling at you benignly.
Maurice Corry Con
I am trying to conclude. The responsibility to support the veterans community lies not with only one organisation or Government. The UK and devolved Governm...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rumbles, in fairness to you, I will not grumble if you take an extra minute. 16:17
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
If I may, I will mention to Maurice Corry my Black Watch credentials. I served with the Black Watch and other Scottish infantry regiments during my first arm...
Mike Rumbles LD
Well done to the minister for his personal commitment to getting the national veterans care network launched this week. Long may the good work continue, beca...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. Just because I give you an extra minute, that does not mean that you have to use it. We move to the open debate. 16:21
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
I mark my appreciation of and offer my thanks to our veterans and armed forces community. It is a special community, which is a huge asset to Scotland and ma...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak about the annual veterans update and how both the UK and Scottish Governments can continue to protect and support our vete...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate on the fourth annual update on support for the armed forces and veterans community in Scotland. It may well ...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Graeme Dey for bringing the debate to the chamber. Last week, I had the privilege of taking part in the remembrance day debate and speaking about som...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
Following last week’s debate on remembrance commemorations, it is fitting that this week we are discussing support for veterans and the armed forces communit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Please come to a close.
Maureen Watt SNP
There is help for veterans in Scotland. No one should feel that it is not there. 16:43
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Many years ago, there was a saying that, if the Army wanted you to have a wife, it would have issued you with one. When I was a young Army wife, one of my fi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The extra time has largely been used up. 16:48
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Scottish veterans commissioner for all his work, as I thank the minister, too. Perhaps it is a career-ending moment to be praised by Mike Rumbles...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
As an ex-serviceman, I am pleased that there continues to be almost total cross-party support for improving support for the armed services and for the vetera...
Graeme Dey SNP
A rainforest has died today in the cause of my taking notes on members’ contributions this afternoon. As a former convener of the Environment, Climate Change...
Maurice Corry Con
Talking about V1P, I have a concern, as the minister’s predecessor knows. What certainty can the minister give to members that health boards will incorporate...
Graeme Dey SNP
As Maurice Corry knows, we cannot instruct health boards to do that, but there is incentivisation through co-funding of the model. Furthermore, I view the fu...