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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 17 November 2020

17 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Veterans and Armed Forces Community

Many years ago, there was a saying that, if the Army wanted you to have a wife, it would have issued you with one. When I was a young Army wife, one of my first experiences was giving evidence to an inquiry into how to improve life for families and prevent soldiers from leaving the forces earlier than they might have done.

I am glad to say that the past 38 years have seen positive change, not least because of the partnership between the UK Government, the devolved Administrations and the private, public and third sectors. That partnership has been underpinned by a recognition that our soldiers, sailors, airmen and airwomen have a right to a family life. They should also be able to trust that the country they served well will not forget them after their service ends.

The annual report contains a number of welcome messages about the progress that is being made, despite the challenges thrown up by the Covid pandemic. The commitment to rolling out the Scottish veterans care network is to be warmly welcomed. I hope that the minister will tell us more about how the network will be promoted and how the Scottish Government will ensure that no veteran is unclear about where to go for help when they need it.

Ensuring that the first-class training that many service personnel receive finds equivalency in the world of work outside the forces is a positive step forward. There is absolutely no doubt that the British armed forces provide some of the best training anywhere in the world.

Despite efforts to increase the length and stability of postings, forces life still involves moving around and coping with separation. For children, having to move schools—potentially every couple of years—means the upheaval of making new friends, tackling a new curriculum if the education system differs, and re-establishing hobbies and club memberships.

Alongside that, service families often deal with stress and worry about their loved ones being sent to serve in an area of conflict. It is important that schools and teachers are given the skills to recognise and understand the impact of that on children. I am pleased that the update recognises that. Flagging school records so that all the people in a school know that a child has a parent who might be serving or away on active duty is an excellent step forward.

Building and sustaining a career can be difficult for the partners of serving forces members. In the modern world—especially when a serviceman leaves the forces and a family must settle—a dual income is often required, so it is important for a partner to build a career. If a person wants to move with their partner, they must be ready and prepared to change jobs and find openings where they can.

I am pleased that the General Teaching Council for Scotland is working with the Naval Families Federation to produce joint documentation—I hope that we will see it this month—that details requirements for teaching in Scotland. However, I ask the minister to say why the Scottish Government is not challenging some of the obstacles that the GTCS creates for teachers who are registered in other nations of the UK. Surely our schools could decide whether to employ individuals who are registered elsewhere. The requirement for an England-registered teacher to register with the GTCS strikes me as bureaucratic and unnecessary. It prevents schools in areas such as Moray from benefiting quickly and efficiently from the armed forces community when teacher shortages arise. I am also concerned that, if the pilot that is being run in colleges extends the GTCS registration requirement to college tutors, as is proposed, that will create further unnecessary barriers for people in armed forces families who wish to teach on postings to Scotland.

However, I will finish on a positive note. I echo the congratulations to the minister, Graeme Dey, because he has taken an extremely non-partisan and committed approach to our armed forces and veterans. We should all follow his example as time goes on.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23370, in the name of Graeme Dey, on Scottish Government support for the veterans and armed forces commun...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
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Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Does the member, as a former councillor, agree that some councils do not do enough for veterans or place them highly enough on housing waiting lists?
Alex Rowley Lab
The minister will say more about the issue, which we have discussed. There is a mix across local authorities, but I think that progress is being made in near...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a proud veteran and as convener of the cross-party group on the armed forces and veterans community. I heard the rumour about the Bl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Corry, I have not given you an extra minute; could you begin to wind up? I am smiling at you benignly.
Maurice Corry Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rumbles, in fairness to you, I will not grumble if you take an extra minute. 16:17
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
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Mike Rumbles LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. Just because I give you an extra minute, that does not mean that you have to use it. We move to the open debate. 16:21
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
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Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
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Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Please come to a close.
Maureen Watt SNP
There is help for veterans in Scotland. No one should feel that it is not there. 16:43
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The extra time has largely been used up. 16:48
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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