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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 11 November 2020

11 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Covid-19 Testing (Health and Social Care Workers)

I put on record my thanks to all our NHS and care staff who continue to fight the virus on the front line, and I send my condolences and love to all those who have lost a loved one.

We have had good news this week, with the prospect of a vaccine coming soon. However, let us be honest. Eight months into the pandemic—eight months—we still have not fixed testing and we still have not fixed test and protect. The question now is whether we will have a vaccine or fix testing and test and trace first; that is the race. The vaccine was meant to be the end game, but it might well rescue us from failed testing and test and trace programmes.

Week after week, the Government has been asked about testing. Week after week, we have had promises. Week after week, people have been let down. Premiership footballers get tested every single week, but NHS staff, care home staff and care-at-home staff do not. We have all been sent images of NHS staff receiving bin liners to wear as aprons, as part of their PPE. That is not fair. The system is not working.

I have been constructive with the cabinet secretary, in public and in private, but we have to call a spade a spade. Testing and test and protect are not working. That is simply not good enough, and the Government has to get a grip.

We have heard tragic stories about cancer services—stories that would not have happened if testing was sorted. We have heard tragic stories about people not being able to visit loved ones in care homes—stories that would not have happened if we had sorted testing. Only now are we restarting dental services; we would not have those problems if we had sorted testing. We would not have the problems that we have seen on many university campuses if we had sorted testing.

We have to get testing sorted ASAP. I am talking about mass testing and rapid testing; if it is good enough for Liverpool, it is good enough for Glasgow and the rest of Scotland.

The Government keeps saying that test and protect is working—the First Minister said so when I spoke about the issue in the chamber a couple of weeks ago. I am sorry. There is a big difference between the claim that has been made in the chamber that three quarters of people are successfully traced and tested and the fact, which is that the proportion is less than half. Test and protect is not working. Too many people are not traced, too many people do not get the phone call and too many people are not given the advice that they need if we are to beat this virus.

As Monica Lennon said, what is happening in our hospitals is unacceptable. This week, I received an email from a distraught son, who said that his father had shielded for seven months—his family had stayed away from him for seven months and he could not see his children and grandchildren—after which he went to hospital for a heart scan, caught Covid in hospital and died. How is that acceptable? It is simply unacceptable.

Getting the test and trace programme and testing right can help us to fix the problems. I thank the Government for its communications exercise. We expect the Government to be brilliant at communications and we thank it for that, but we need it to be good at beating the virus, too. I ask the Government, please, to fix the testing system and test and protect, so that we can save lives in Scotland.

15:54  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23296, in the name of Monica Lennon, on routine Covid-19 testing for all health and social care workers. ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The motion in my name “notes the ongoing threat to life and health posed by COVID-19”. Today, the First Minister informed the country that a further 64 peo...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I will start by making it clear that I agree with Ms Lennon’s motion and Mr Cameron’s amendment, and that all I seek to do with my amendment is to clarify th...
Monica Lennon Lab
I welcome what the cabinet secretary has said so far. Just so that we can get a sense of the scale of the challenge ahead of us, can the cabinet secretary sa...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I cannot quite do the maths. It is not a huge proportion, but I can tell you that the estimate we have of NHS staff in emergency departments, as well as surg...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
During the pandemic, we have seen a heroic effort from all our NHS and social care staff to cope with the demands and pressures that have come to the fore as...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does the member accept that, in any given week, we will not have all 53,000-odd care home staff in care homes to be tested? Some will be off because they are...
Donald Cameron Con
If it is not reasonable, why did the cabinet secretary give assurances that all care home staff would be tested every week? We know that that simply is not ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
On 24 April, I wrote to the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport and said that I considered routine testing for hospital and care workers who were on the f...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is a great privilege to follow such an excellent speech from Alison Johnstone. I absolutely associate myself with her remarks. The Liberal Democrats will...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I do not have much time, but I will take the cabinet secretary’s intervention.
Jeane Freeman SNP
If we do not use clinical prioritisation as the way to roll this out, what would the member suggest that we use?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I refer to the cabinet secretary to my remark a moment ago. We accept the Scottish Government’s amendment on that basis. We absolutely agree that, if the Gov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We move to the open debate. We are tight for time; I ask for four-minute speeches, please. 15:50
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I put on record my thanks to all our NHS and care staff who continue to fight the virus on the front line, and I send my condolences and love to all those wh...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate and what the cabinet secretary said about how she wants to work with others to ensure that we can solve the issue. I think that we can...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As many people have noted in recent weeks and months, the pressure on the NHS this winter will ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
There is a strict four minutes for speakers, now. 16:03
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I first pay tribute to the scientists across the world who have been working night and day to find a vaccine, although we know that there is still a long way...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate. I was going to offer some statistics, but George Adam and others have done so, in regard to the Scottish Government’s 10...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Given the excellent speeches that we have heard, I propose to keep my speech relatively short. I always judge leaders on whether they would take the same ri...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I begin by acknowledging the incredible efforts of our NHS and care staff, who continue to be on the front line caring for patients with Covid-19 and working...
Alison Johnstone Green
The Scottish Government’s testing strategy and its nosocomial review group have recognised the importance of routine testing for healthcare workers, so I do ...
Ruth Maguire SNP
Alison Johnstone has consistently made those points, in her speech and before in the chamber, and she has done so again. It is important to note that some s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to closing speeches. 16:19
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I remind members that I have a daughter who is on the front line in the Scottish NHS. As I rise to close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I thank the...
Jeane Freeman SNP
To respond to Brian Whittle’s point, we not only can do it—we will do it. I, too, express my thanks to all our health and social care staff and our emergenc...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
SNP members who have spoken in the debate have been defensive, but I do not think that there is a need to be defensive. Monica Lennon is calling for all heal...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate on routine Covid-19 testing for all health and social care workers.