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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2020

04 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Care Homes

Covid-19 is the biggest public health crisis that we have faced in our lifetime, and the impact on care homes across the world has been profound. Every life lost to the virus is a tragedy and a loss that will be deeply grieved by loved ones. I send my condolences to anyone who has experienced the loss of a loved one to this serious virus. I also thank care home staff for their valuable work.

As I listened to the speeches so far, I reflected on where I was, and where we all were, at the start of the pandemic. We did not know a lot about the virus. I was one of those folks who was eager to return to the NHS front line and to help with what Alex Cole-Hamilton has just called the “tsunami of Covid cases” that we expected to receive in hospitals across Scotland.

I am clear that the Public Health Scotland analysis does not find statistical evidence that hospital discharges were associated with care home outbreaks. As a direct response to the Conservative motion, I can say that the First Minister and the health secretary have confirmed that a public inquiry will be held that will look into every aspect of the crisis, including what has happened in care homes. However, we are in the midst of an increase in cases—a second wave of the virus—and right now is simply not the time for a public inquiry, although I agree that one is needed and I welcome the commitment that it will happen.

It is important to note the point that we have got to. The health secretary commissioned the Public Health Scotland report in August

“to identify and report on discharges from NHS Hospitals to care homes during the first wave of the COVID-19 Pandemic.”

The report was commissioned because it is right that residents, families, staff and the Parliament have accurate data on and independent analysis of the transfer of patients to care homes and the impact on care homes.

The report states on page 42 that

“The analysis does not find statistical evidence that hospital discharges of any kind were associated with care home outbreaks.”

It also states that PHS

“cannot statistically exclude the presence of a small risk from hospital discharge. By comparison though, the risk of an outbreak associated with care home size is much larger than any plausible risk from hospital discharge.”

The cabinet secretary has already described that.

The report notes that 3.7 per cent of care homes with fewer than 20 registered places had an outbreak over the period. In comparison, 90.2 per cent of care homes with more than 90 places had an outbreak over the same period. The report noted that hospital discharge was

“associated with an increased risk of an outbreak when considered on its own. However, after accounting for care home size and other care home characteristics, the estimated risk”

was not “statistically significant.”

The Scottish Government will take forward the recommendations that PHS makes in its report, and PHS will now carry out further work to give a more detailed understanding of Covid-19 outbreaks in care homes. The Scottish Government will act on the areas in which the report’s conclusions highlight the need for additional measures.

I welcome the steps that the Scottish Government has already taken to ensure that additional safeguards, such as testing when clinically appropriate, are in place when discharge from hospital into care homes takes place.

Guidance has been clear—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23226, in the name of Donald Cameron, on care homes. 16:04
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to open this important debate, particularly in light of last week’s delayed report by Public Health Scotland. I pay tribut...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention and for his comment about the importance of what was, at that point, a shared agreement across the cha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We do not have a lot of time in hand, but Mr Cameron will get all his time back.
Donald Cameron Con
The cabinet secretary mentioned the guidance on 26 March. That guidance also stated that individuals who were being discharged from hospital did not routinel...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
Covid-19 is a cruel virus that is particularly dangerous for the most elderly and vulnerable in our society. In the first wave, as we have heard, the lives o...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Does the cabinet secretary accept that at the same time that hospital patients were incautiously discharged into care homes, many other hospital patients wer...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you only 30 seconds back, cabinet secretary, so you are nearly in your final minute.
Jeane Freeman SNP
I do not agree with the member’s characterisation of that as incautious. I believe that we did what we believed to be right at the time with the resources th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I must say to members that, in these short debates, there is no time in hand, so I have to be very strict with the timings. I call Monica Lennon to speak to ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Care homes have been at the centre of the Covid-19 crisis and, unfortunately, the crisis is far from over. Today, it was confirmed that, sadly, six of my con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. It is very hard to keep to four minutes in this debate, so well done Ms Lennon. I call Alison Johnstone—you, too, have four minutes. 16:23
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I, too, thank all those who work in care and in our care homes. The clapping might have ceased, but they should be in no doubt that we appreciate the great v...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
What has happened in our care homes is the tragedy of Scotland’s pandemic story. While it certainly did not do it out of malice, by sin of omission and commi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask members for tight four-minute speeches. 16:32
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I, too, thank care home workers for the compassion that they have shown during the pandemic. This is a really important debate: 2,000 people have died from ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Would the member like to elucidate on what delay, spin and diversion—I think that that was the other term that she used—I, as cabinet secretary, have engaged...
Rachael Hamilton Con
As I make progress through my speech, I shall engage with the cabinet secretary on the delays and the publishing of guidance that was removed from the Govern...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Covid-19 is the biggest public health crisis that we have faced in our lifetime, and the impact on care homes across the world has been profound. Every life ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must conclude.
Emma Harper SNP
I will conclude, Presiding Officer. I welcome that the Scottish Government will continue to—-
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Conclude means conclude, wherever one is on the planet. 16:40
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as my mum is a resident in a care home and my wife and daughter work in the NHS. I have never worked in a care home and have never bee...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this short debate, and I thank the Conservatives for securing it. I agree with Donald Cameron’s comments regarding the activities of staff in care ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Stuart McMillan SNP
Let me finish my point. Most constituents who have contacted me about care homes have been fairly positive about their experiences. Not one person has calle...
Neil Findlay Lab
Incredible! Absolutely incredible! How many constituents have contacted your office asking for a hate crime bill or an independence referendum while all this...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are all wasting your debating time. Mr Findlay, I know that it is a teacherly thing to say, but please do not use the word “you” in the chamber. I have ...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I am telling members about the number of constituents who have contacted my office. I am sorry if Mr Findlay does not appreciate the fact that not one consti...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I am sorry, I have already taken an intervention. I want a public inquiry to take place, but I genuinely do not think that it is right to have one according...