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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2020

04 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Care Homes
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I am grateful for the opportunity to open this important debate, particularly in light of last week’s delayed report by Public Health Scotland.

I pay tribute to all Scotland’s care workers, who have been at the forefront of protecting some of the most vulnerable people in our society. We thank those who work in a care home, those who deliver care at home and those who simply look after a relative or friend for all that they do and all that they continue to do.

The unpredictable nature of Covid-19, especially in the early stages of the pandemic—in March and April this year—has created significant challenges for the care sector, but those at the front line have been quick to adapt to the new reality that we face. Protecting those who receive care must always be at the forefront of our minds, but I am afraid to say that it is clear that significant and costly mistakes have been made during the year. The Scottish National Party Government has made mistakes that may have cost lives.

At the heart of the detailed report from Public Health Scotland that was released last week was confirmation that 113 Covid-positive patients were sent from hospitals to care homes and 3,061 patients were discharged into care homes without being tested at all. We also know that, since the start of the pandemic, there have been, as of today, 2,048 deaths from coronavirus in our care homes, and that, as of 28 October, 134 adult care homes had a current case of suspected Covid-19.

Those are serious and concerning figures. Every death from the virus is, of course, a terrible tragedy. However, there is a lot that remains unknown. We do not yet know the number of positive tests from care homes that suffered outbreaks after receiving a Covid-positive patient or the number of positive tests from care home staff. We do not yet know when precisely the First Minister became aware that Covid-positive patients were transferred from hospitals to care homes and what action she took to investigate that. Those are serious questions that require serious and urgent answers.

Politicians of all political stripes have demanded clarity on numerous occasions from the First Minister, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport and public bodies such as Public Health Scotland. It is regrettable that those answers have not often been forthcoming. The Government’s failure to protect Scotland’s most vulnerable people is a scandal—I do not shrink from describing it in that way.

It is clear to us and to others in the chamber that only an immediate public inquiry will hold ministers to account and give grieving families the answers that they deserve. I know what the cabinet secretary will say to that call—indeed, it is in her amendment. She says that it is not the time and that we must wait until this is over and it is reasonably practicable to do that. However, the simple reality is that we do not know when this will all be over. We are currently experiencing a second wave, and we may—regrettably—have a third wave. That could be a matter of months or another year from now—we do not know. While we wait, the families of those who died in our care homes will get no answers and no closure. We owe it to them to get those answers now, not later. It is precisely because the virus has not gone away that we need to get to the bottom of what went wrong.

There is no reason to delay. We can set the wheels in motion today. We can decide terms of reference and appoint key personnel. Crucially, we can start to in-gather evidence. All that takes time. If committees of the Parliament or the chamber can operate virtually or in a hybrid function, so can an inquiry. If court trials in Scotland can now—as of today—operate as they used to do before the pandemic, so can an inquiry operate.

I want to cover a few other aspects that the report covers. The report provided particularly damning evidence on the guidance that led to Covid-positive patients being transferred into our care homes. We know now that the SNP Government did not change that guidance until 26 April. Its original guidance of 13 March advised that, although

“long term care facilities have expressed concern about the risk of admissions from a hospital setting ... the priority is maximising hospital capacity”

and

“steps should be taken to ensure ... that flows out from acute hospitals are not hindered and where appropriate are expedited.”

We know that it was not until 21 April that the cabinet secretary announced to Parliament that Covid-19 patients who were discharged from hospital should have given two negative tests. It then took almost another month before any mention was made of the testing of non-Covid hospital patients.

Mention is often made of hindsight. I have always accepted that in March and April we needed the capacity in the national health service to deal with an influx of Covid-19 admissions. However, even then, any movement of hospital patients into care homes had to be done safely, especially given the virulence and speed of Covid-19 infection and particularly because care homes are the abode of many elderly people who are especially vulnerable. That had to be done safely, but it was not.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23226, in the name of Donald Cameron, on care homes. 16:04
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to open this important debate, particularly in light of last week’s delayed report by Public Health Scotland. I pay tribut...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention and for his comment about the importance of what was, at that point, a shared agreement across the cha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We do not have a lot of time in hand, but Mr Cameron will get all his time back.
Donald Cameron Con
The cabinet secretary mentioned the guidance on 26 March. That guidance also stated that individuals who were being discharged from hospital did not routinel...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
Covid-19 is a cruel virus that is particularly dangerous for the most elderly and vulnerable in our society. In the first wave, as we have heard, the lives o...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Does the cabinet secretary accept that at the same time that hospital patients were incautiously discharged into care homes, many other hospital patients wer...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you only 30 seconds back, cabinet secretary, so you are nearly in your final minute.
Jeane Freeman SNP
I do not agree with the member’s characterisation of that as incautious. I believe that we did what we believed to be right at the time with the resources th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I must say to members that, in these short debates, there is no time in hand, so I have to be very strict with the timings. I call Monica Lennon to speak to ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Care homes have been at the centre of the Covid-19 crisis and, unfortunately, the crisis is far from over. Today, it was confirmed that, sadly, six of my con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. It is very hard to keep to four minutes in this debate, so well done Ms Lennon. I call Alison Johnstone—you, too, have four minutes. 16:23
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I, too, thank all those who work in care and in our care homes. The clapping might have ceased, but they should be in no doubt that we appreciate the great v...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
What has happened in our care homes is the tragedy of Scotland’s pandemic story. While it certainly did not do it out of malice, by sin of omission and commi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I ask members for tight four-minute speeches. 16:32
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I, too, thank care home workers for the compassion that they have shown during the pandemic. This is a really important debate: 2,000 people have died from ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Would the member like to elucidate on what delay, spin and diversion—I think that that was the other term that she used—I, as cabinet secretary, have engaged...
Rachael Hamilton Con
As I make progress through my speech, I shall engage with the cabinet secretary on the delays and the publishing of guidance that was removed from the Govern...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Covid-19 is the biggest public health crisis that we have faced in our lifetime, and the impact on care homes across the world has been profound. Every life ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must conclude.
Emma Harper SNP
I will conclude, Presiding Officer. I welcome that the Scottish Government will continue to—-
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Conclude means conclude, wherever one is on the planet. 16:40
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as my mum is a resident in a care home and my wife and daughter work in the NHS. I have never worked in a care home and have never bee...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this short debate, and I thank the Conservatives for securing it. I agree with Donald Cameron’s comments regarding the activities of staff in care ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Stuart McMillan SNP
Let me finish my point. Most constituents who have contacted me about care homes have been fairly positive about their experiences. Not one person has calle...
Neil Findlay Lab
Incredible! Absolutely incredible! How many constituents have contacted your office asking for a hate crime bill or an independence referendum while all this...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are all wasting your debating time. Mr Findlay, I know that it is a teacherly thing to say, but please do not use the word “you” in the chamber. I have ...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I am telling members about the number of constituents who have contacted my office. I am sorry if Mr Findlay does not appreciate the fact that not one consti...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I am sorry, I have already taken an intervention. I want a public inquiry to take place, but I genuinely do not think that it is right to have one according...