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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2020

04 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints

On 8 January 2019, Lord Pentland announced that the Scottish Government had conceded the former First Minister Alex Salmond’s petition for judicial review on the grounds that the procedure was unlawful, the decision was taken in “procedurally unfair” circumstances and was “tainted by apparent bias”. The former First Minister was awarded an interim payment of £350,000, and a balance of £166,250 to cover his legal expenses, which were paid on the solicitor client scale, reflecting that the Scottish Government had conducted the litigation incompetently or unreasonably.

On 15 January 2019, Parliament agreed to establish a committee of inquiry to look into the Scottish Government’s handling of complaints against the former First Minister. The Alex Salmond harassment charges case followed, which was sub judice. Nonetheless, throughout 2019 and up to June 2020, the committee met in private and was determined to do all possible groundwork to enable it to hit the ground running when, on conclusion of the trial, it was able to meet in public and begin the formal evidence sessions. It did so for the first time in August 2020.

However, when seeking the relevant information to allow it to carry out its remit, the committee and its members have experienced huge frustration, as deadlines for productions are missed or information, such as that which was released in the Scottish Government’s first tranche, is supplied in a format that makes it virtually unintelligible. Quite simply, behind the scenes it has felt like wading through treacle to get straight answers to questions, or to receive information to allow proper scrutiny during evidence sessions. Instead, if evidence is produced at all, relevant deadlines are ignored, and the necessary information is frequently received the night before taking evidence.

Based on that, it is perhaps not surprising that we are having to resort to a parliamentary debate to call on the Scottish Government to waive legal privilege and release the advice that it received, which it has not done despite there being precedent for its doing so.

The evidence that is in the public domain confirms that arbitration was offered to, and rejected by, the Scottish Government well before the petition for judicial review was formally lodged in August 2018. Significantly, the unsuccessful challenge to the judicial review then cost the taxpayer a minimum of a staggering £630,000.

Information that has been received regarding the suggestion of arbitration confirms that the Scottish Government rejected arbitration because it was confident of the legality of the process. The former First Minister’s senior counsel, however, believed that the process was unlawful. The legality issue therefore had to be resolved either in private, in a confidential and binding arbitration, or in public in the Court of Session.

The position was that if the former First Minister’s legal advice was wrong, the process for judicial review would proceed; but if the Scottish Government’s legal advice was wrong, it would discover that that was the case without the expense of losing in a public court. Crucially, arbitration would have guaranteed confidentiality for the complainers, but they were never offered that choice.

In order for the inquiry committee to carry out its remit effectively, the Scottish Government must waive legal privilege and release the judicial review advice that it received. Only then can the required transparency and accountability be achieved for the complainers and the taxpaying public, who paid the six-figure costs of the judicial review.

I whole-heartedly support the motion in Murdo Fraser’s name.

15:25  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23218, in the name of Murdo Fraser, on the Scottish Government’s handling of harassment complaints. 14:53
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, this afternoon the Scottish Conservatives are dividing our debating time into two parts. Shortly, my colleague Donald Cameron will lead a ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Scots law provides that any person who seeks legal advice has the benefit of confidential communications with their lawyer. That is an important and well-est...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Johnson will forgive me, I need to make progress. I have a lot of ground to cover. It is advice that informs that decision. It is the decision itself ...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Mundell will allow me to finish the quote, I will give way to him. The Lord Advocate said: “Its waiver is exceptionally rare, and it happens against ...
Oliver Mundell Con
Does the Deputy First Minister honestly think that in this case, the circumstances are “routine”? Does he not think that it is exactly the sort of exception ...
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Mundell looks at examples of where the Government has waived legal professional privilege, he will see that they have been major issues of public polic...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
No—I am answering the member’s intervention. The point that the Lord Advocate made in the quote that I read out is that it is particularly relevant in a sit...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
I have to make further progress, I am afraid. The Government is frequently involved in litigation and decision making as part of normal good government. As ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I begin by quoting the words of the First Minister in the chamber on 17 January 2019, because it is worth reminding members of what she said. She stated: “T...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
On 6 February 2019, Parliament voted to establish a committee to inquire into the Scottish Government’s handling of harassment complaints in the light of all...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in support of the Conservative motion. I will come to the substance of the legal advice in a moment. Before I do, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We do not have a lot of time for the debate, so I urge members to keep their remarks to the four minutes that they have been allocated. 15:21
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
On 8 January 2019, Lord Pentland announced that the Scottish Government had conceded the former First Minister Alex Salmond’s petition for judicial review on...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
The motion asks Parliament to call “on the Scottish Government to publish all the legal advice it received regarding” a judicial review. In my speech I wil...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
This is an important debate because, undoubtedly, the circumstances surrounding it are some of the most troubling issues that we have dealt with since devolu...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
In this short debate of one hour and 10 minutes—the Tories have opted to use only half of their Opposition time for it—I wish to focus on the issue of legal ...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I very much welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. It is right that responding to the Covid-19 pandemic has been at the forefront of our ...
Shona Robison (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP
For me, today has been a tale of two Parliaments. The first, this morning, was a meeting of the COVID-19 Committee, on which I serve, in which we scrutinised...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the closing speeches. 15:46
Jackie Baillie Lab
The debate has been short but illuminating. The Opposition parties across the chamber are of one mind: they believe that the Scottish Government should provi...
John Swinney SNP
Jackie Baillie said that she would not rehearse the business of the committee and the substance of the inquiry. Some members have raised elements of the subs...
Oliver Mundell Con
Does Mr Swinney not recognise that the argument that he is making makes it even more compelling that the judicial review legal advice, which can be published...
John Swinney SNP
I am coming on to that point, which is about the material that the committee already has. The Government has already provided the committee with the pleading...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will try another way of approaching the issue. I understand that Mr Swinney is not going to release the legal advice, but given the decisions that the Gove...
John Swinney SNP
I remind Alex Cole-Hamilton what I said at the outset: I will not get into the substance of any aspect of the processes in question, because it is not approp...