Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,355,091
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,355,091 contributions in session S6, 16 Apr 2026 – 16 May 2026. Latest 30 days: 148. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 14 May 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 30 September 2020

30 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Family Care Givers
McMillan, Stuart SNP Greenock and Inverclyde Watch on SPTV

I welcome the debate, and I note the importance of 1 October as the international day of older persons.

There will be a vast amount on which we will agree today across the chamber—that has certainly been the case thus far—but I will touch on one point that every politician in the chamber might find a wee bit uncomfortable. We have to be honest with ourselves. I read the helpful briefing from Inclusion Scotland, and one section of it was headed “Postcode Lottery”. I know that the phrase “postcode lottery” is not used in the motion or any of the amendments, but it struck me that, when we as politicians use the phrase “postcode lottery”—it has been used thousands of times before, and it will be used thousands of times in the future—we sometimes fail to do so properly; it can just be a soundbite that is used to attack or challenge somebody from a different party without any attention being paid to the various factors affecting the subject concerned.

Alex Cole-Hamilton touched on regional variations, and I agree with him on that point. There will be occasions when, from a national perspective, a postcode lottery is very much the right thing: the regional variation that will happen with service delivery, whatever that service may be, is extremely important.

I move on to my second point. On 15 September, when the Parliament debated migration and care workers, I quoted a National Records of Scotland demographic and census publication from 2017 that referred to Inverclyde. The report stated:

“Inverclyde is projected to have an ageing population over the next 25 years, with a projected increase of 38% for those aged 65 or over. In contrast, the working age population (aged 16-64 years) is projected to fall by 26% between 2014 and 2039.”

Comparing Inverclyde with Midlothian in terms of the number of households between 2001 and 2019, the figure for my area has decreased by 0.6 per cent, while the figure for Midlothian has increased by 23.9 per cent. Most of those people will be younger and of working age.

I will explain why I am touching on that again. I welcome the fact that the Migration Advisory Committee appears to have done a U-turn yesterday on the issue of the shortage occupation list. When the Migration Advisory Committee spoke to the Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee on 1 November 2018, it had no concept whatsoever of how important social care is to Scotland. I have two quotes from that meeting. Professor Alan Manning, the committee’s chair, said then that the MAC’s view was that

“there are plenty of domestic workers—current residents—who are capable of working in the social care sector.”

Secondly, he said that

“Social care faces some very serious problems, and the MAC is not convinced that migration is the solution.”—[Official Report, Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee, 1 November 2018; c 7.]

I wanted to get that on the record again, because of the MAC’s U-turn, and because the chamber is debating the issue again today in a serious way. Whatever happens and no matter what the review recommends, the Parliament must, in the short term, ensure that enough people are working in the social care sector to look after our older population.

Members have spoken about the independent review of adult social care, and I welcome the fact that that is happening. Those facilities are not just a care facility, but somebody’s home—somebody lives there—so it is important that they are well run, well staffed and well funded, because that will reassure family members.

My community is well served by care homes and I rarely receive any complaints about service provision. As other members have done, I pay tribute to all care workers across Scotland and particularly to those in my constituency. It is important, however, that we always strive to improve any service delivery for our older citizens, who deserve it.

The review will be wide ranging and consider whole aspects of the issue, particularly about how the highest standards of support can be achieved for the independence and wellbeing of people who use adult social care support. Its aim is to build on our long-standing commitments to improving adult social care provision and to ensuring that social care is effectively integrated with health services—I could go on, but I am conscious of time.

Since the start of the pandemic, the priority has been to save people’s lives, wherever they are. The scientific advice that was available at the time guided all decisions on the Covid-19 response. The discussion about the future of care homes is crucial and can help to set the example of the ambition that we have for the country and of the type of country that we want to have for our older citizens.

16:32  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22860, in the name of Monica Lennon, on recognising the importance of family care givers. I invite membe...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to open, on behalf of Scottish Labour, this debate on recognising the importance of family care givers. I know that member...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
If you had had 13 minutes, I would have given you 13 minutes. I had better tell members how much time they have. I call Jeane Freeman to speak to and move a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
As members across the chamber well know, we are in the middle of a global pandemic. To give some context to what I am about to say, it is perhaps worth remin...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will do, in a moment. Given that, I hope that Mr Cameron will understand that I cannot support his call for a separate public inquiry into only one aspect...
Neil Findlay Lab
We know that a public inquiry will come, but the cabinet secretary has been asked on many occasions when she first knew that people were being discharged to ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
We were initially alerted to the situation by reports in the national press on what was happening south of the border. That was when we began to investigate ...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful to Labour for bringing the issue to the chamber. There is much in its motion and in the Scottish Government’s amendment with which we agree in ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I am sure that Mr Cameron will appreciate that Public Health Scotland’s reason for not publishing at the end of September, as it and we had hoped, is that it...
Donald Cameron Con
I acknowledge that those were the reasons that were given, but the cabinet secretary can be under no illusions: the delay represents more heartache and distr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now have no time in hand, so members must absorb interventions. I am sorry. 15:56
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank our wonderful care staff, who have done incredible work in often extremely difficult conditions throughout the pandemic. They have been a source of c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, but you must conclude.
Alison Johnstone Green
I will conclude my remarks there.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am very sorry. I was trying to signal to you. I now call Alex Cole-Hamilton. Please watch the pen, Mr Cole-Hamilton, and I will not have to interrupt you....
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I will never ignore the pen, Presiding Officer. I thank Monica Lennon and the Labour Party for lodging this important motion. Monica Lennon and I attended a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members that, if you wish to speak, you must press your request-to-speak button. I call Anas Sarwar, to be followed by Angela Constance. 16:08
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the debate and all the contributions that have been made so far. I say, too, that it is important to acknowledge context. Covid has changed not jus...
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the debate, because the pandemic and the national response have reminded us that, often in life, the hardest decisions are those that we ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can tell members that interrupting all these wonderful speeches is not a happy task, but I have to do it. 16:22
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Along with other members, I thank Monica Lennon and the Labour group for bringing the debate to the chamber. There is a consensual feel to the debate, and I ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate, and I note the importance of 1 October as the international day of older persons. There will be a vast amount on which we will agree t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
For me, the biggest tragedy of the Covid pandemic—an outrage, in fact, for which we must all account—was the treatment of older people, particularly in the e...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention because it allows me to clarify again for the record that there was no policy to issue do not resuscit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
Ms McNeill, you will get your time back.
Pauline McNeill Lab
Thank you. It is a really important point. I accept everything that the cabinet secretary says, but I spoke to doctors who believed that they got guidance f...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the international day for older persons, purely for personal reasons, because my younger brother is elderly. Many of the stories that we have hear...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
This is going to be a hard winter for families and their loved ones who live in care homes. Like many MSPs, I have been asked by a constituent to try to imag...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, because health and social care has long been my focus both in my time as a councillor and now in my time as...