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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 September 2020

23 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prioritising Education

I welcome the opportunity to discuss how we create a fairer society and tackle inequality—inequality that is particularly visible in education.

We know that decisions in an education system can reinforce inequality and deny opportunity but, where policy is rigorous, education can also be seen as an important means of creating greater fairness in society. That is why I was so angry about what the Scottish Government chose to do about the exam results. That was a clear example of choices being made that would disadvantage those who are already most disadvantaged. We need to understand that tackling inequality in education requires an understanding of economic and social inequality and the inequity of life chances more broadly in our communities, and how that feeds into formal education.

In response to a request from the young me for some frivolous spending money, my mother would say, “Every penny should be a prisoner since it came from the sweat of your father’s brow.” Although I have never lived by that approach myself, possibly because I have never had to work as hard as my father did, there is a truth there for the Government to reflect on in these terrible and frightening times. Every penny, every budget, every resource, every bit of intellectual time and energy needs to be focused on tackling this crisis and understanding how disproportionately it is now affecting those who are already the most disadvantaged.

The evidence of the unfolding disaster for all too many families is all too clear. In recent weeks, I have heard evidence from groups such as adult survivors of abuse, carers, unpaid young carers and disabled people, among others. They have all given powerful testimony about the toll of the current crisis on their wellbeing, their income and the support that they receive, and how that is compounding the challenges that are already at the core of their lives. It does those people a grave disservice to suggest that focusing on the constitution can address their needs now. We should not be overwhelmed by the scale of the challenge, but we need and expect the Government’s total focus to be on those challenges. It is not good enough to point out what we cannot do when Government is resisting taking many of the actions that would make a difference.

In every aspect of our lives, there are examples of inequality, but today’s debate focuses on education. I repeat my strongly held view that the Scottish Government’s action in education is making things worse, whether it is around multilevel teaching, the reduction in subject choices, the reduction in support for young people with additional support needs, or the reduction of support staff in our schools. In this crisis, those problems are multiplied.

We are clear about the impact of the lack of access to digital support. We can only fear what the impact of lockdown was on young people for whom school has been a sanctuary. We see the way in which opportunities for some young people are enhanced and determined by what their families can make available to their own children; in their own way, trips, visits, access to books and extra tutoring can make up for the loss that all young people have experienced by being out of school. We can also see how excluded and disadvantaged those children are whose families cannot bring to bear those extra resources to close that gap.

In education, we need to harness the important work of groups such as Home-Start or the Volunteer Tutors Organisation, or many of the other groups that support vulnerable young people in our communities. At the same time, in my city, cuts are being made to the budgets of the very groups that work closely with individual families. Those choices, made by the Scottish Government, are having a direct impact on the opportunities of young people in our cities. Indeed, the great idea is for libraries to support all in accessing knowledge but, in our city, we are seeing the potential for libraries to be closed.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22780, in the name of Jamie Greene, on prioritising education over independence. 15:23
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
This is arguably one of the most important motions that I have lodged in my time in the Parliament. It is on education. In the middle of a global pandemic, w...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I associate myself with Mr Greene’s remarks on the contribution of the teaching profession during the lockdown period, in which, in his words, its members de...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Parliament had the opportunity to pass a new education bill. Why did that not happen?
John Swinney SNP
Because the Government was able to make the reforms without legislating for them. Interruption. Those reforms were about empowering schools—putting powers in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I will call Daniel Johnson in a moment but first, I say to Conservative members in particular that it is important that we are all able to hear members’ ques...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I understand the Deputy First Minister’s frustrations about how the motion for debate was drawn up by the Conservatives, but we are four minutes into his spe...
John Swinney SNP
That is timely as that is precisely the point that I have got to in my speech. Until the Government has the opportunity to put the Scottish question to the ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Does Mr Swinney accept that many of those new teaching posts are part time or temporary because of how he has chosen to fund teacher number increases?
John Swinney SNP
No, I do not, because the overwhelming majority—Interruption. The overwhelming majority of teaching posts are permanent posts, which I would have thought tha...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I return to a subject that I have asked the cabinet secretary about many times before—the digital poverty gap and the technology that is required. I am still...
John Swinney SNP
The estimates of the likely number of pupils who did not have access to digital learning were of the order of 70,000. Through the first tranche of the propos...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I know that the Tory motion is designed to wind up the SNP—it seems to have worked with Mr Swinney—but it points to an inconvenient truth for SNP members, be...
John Swinney SNP
I invite Mr Gray to reflect on what he has just said. Perhaps that will help him to understand why his party is in some political difficulty in Scotland. In ...
Iain Gray Lab
No, I did not. The truth is that those children are being failed by Mr Swinney’s Government and by the Conservative Government. That is why the Government’s...
John Swinney SNP
The Government has put in £135 million of new resources to assist schools in the recovery, including through the provision of new staff. Why can Mr Gray not ...
Iain Gray Lab
The resources that John Swinney refers to are the additional resources that local authorities needed just to get schools reopened safely for everyone. Interr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Swinney!
Iain Gray Lab
Nothing will be provided to help the families of children who are living in poverty until February. Despite that, there is all the time in the world for the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I again remind members to desist from making comments from a sedentary position, in order that the debate can be properly heard. 15:54
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I have to admit to being somewhat bemused by the Tories’ motion. At the weekend, they were briefing the press that they would bring the issue of the 2021 exa...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
In March, just as the country was starting to comprehend the scale and seriousness of the pandemic, we debated the state of Scottish education. The PISA resu...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It is, of course, common knowledge that, in several programmes for government, the SNP has been unequivocal in placing education at the top of its priorities...
John Swinney SNP
I understand Liz Smith’s argument about teacher numbers, but is she going to pass comment at some stage on the financial environment of austerity that we hav...
Liz Smith Con
In the past few days, we have laid out exactly how we hope to address the question of teacher numbers. We have made specific calculations—Interruption. They ...
John Swinney SNP
Liz Smith has made an historical point about the reduction in teacher numbers compared with the number in 2007. I accept those numbers, but I ask Liz Smith t...
Liz Smith Con
It has been the choice of Mr Swinney’s Government to make those decisions. That is why we have seen a reduction in teacher numbers. It is nothing whatever to...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to be speaking in the debate led by the Conservative Party, but I note that in lodging the motion and telling the SNP to focus on closing the attai...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to discuss how we create a fairer society and tackle inequality—inequality that is particularly visible in education. We know th...
Jamie Greene Con
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