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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 September 2020

23 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prioritising Education
Adamson, Clare SNP Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

I am glad to be speaking in the debate led by the Conservative Party, but I note that in lodging the motion and telling the SNP to focus on closing the attainment gap, the Conservatives have failed to give the matter at hand its full title: the poverty-related attainment gap.

I say to Mr Gray that the inconvenient truth of the afternoon is that the Conservatives are responsible for the austerity policies that cause poverty and that they hold the levers of power to address the issue fully. That leaves the Scottish Government mitigating for poor ideological decisions that are taken elsewhere—a conundrum that would easily be solved by a vote for independence.

The Scottish Government has tackled poverty. We are still in the delivery stages of every child, every chance. That will deliver £12 million of investment in intensive employment support for parents, increased funding for the workplace equality fund to support employer-led projects to advance equality at work and a new minimum payment for school clothing grants. An additional £1 million will be provided for practical support for children who are experiencing food insecurity during school holidays. There is also a new focus on families in the warmer homes Scotland initiative; £3 million of investment has been made in the new financial health check service; and the UK Carnegie Trust affordable credit loan fund has been delivered. All those measures are designed to improve the poverty situation that causes the attainment gap.

When I sat on the Welfare Reform Committee during the last session of Parliament, we commissioned Sheffield Hallam University to report on the cumulative impact of welfare reform on households in Scotland. It was known that welfare reform would reduce incomes in Scotland by £1.5 billion a year—that is £440 for every adult of working age. Families with dependent children are one of the largest losers in the welfare reform agenda. Couples with children lose an average of £1,400 a year, while lone parents lose up to £1,800 a year. Those cumulative impacts have been largely hidden. Families with children lose an estimated £960 million a year, which approaches two thirds of the overall financial loss to Scotland from welfare reform. Nearly half of those benefit cuts were expected to fall on in-work households.

Since then, the Scottish Government has invested over £576 million in tackling the poverty-related attainment gap. The UK, on the other hand, has binned statistics on child poverty, cut benefits and introduced the despicable “rape clause”.

The Scottish Government has made its central mission the delivery of both excellence and equity across our education. I will not reiterate the successes that have been mentioned this afternoon. The SNP Government has brought in a host of measures and achievements to attain the goal of excellence and equity in education, but that is not what the Conservatives are interested in. They have chosen to position their own debate on education around constitutional politics.

I will accept the Conservatives’ invitation and discuss the constitutional situation in Scotland. The Conservatives do not accept that constitutional constraints on the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government have a direct impact on our ability to deal with issues that the Opposition professes to care about. Constitutional constraints have a very real and tangible impact on our ability to legislate and invest in policy areas that matter to the people of Scotland.

The Scottish Government is delivering on its commitment and, at the same time, polls show that a consistent majority in Scotland are in favour of independence. The Conservatives believe that those issues are mutually exclusive, but I disagree. I do not agree that independence comes at the expense of all other issues, and neither, it seems, do the people of Scotland.

Conservative members seem rancorous when independence is even uttered by the members of the SNP, but they are content for their own party to drive a coach and horses through our constitutional arrangements. They are silent when faced with UK legislation that will rip up the devolution settlement, but irate when the Scottish Government suggests that it should take its own decisions when they will affect the people of Scotland.

In an interview answer, it was said once that the first referendum would be a once in a generation opportunity and that has been held to be sacrosanct, yet binding laws that arise from an international treaty are being broken at will by the UK Conservatives. They cannot have it both ways.

16:19  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22780, in the name of Jamie Greene, on prioritising education over independence. 15:23
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I associate myself with Mr Greene’s remarks on the contribution of the teaching profession during the lockdown period, in which, in his words, its members de...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Parliament had the opportunity to pass a new education bill. Why did that not happen?
John Swinney SNP
Because the Government was able to make the reforms without legislating for them. Interruption. Those reforms were about empowering schools—putting powers in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I will call Daniel Johnson in a moment but first, I say to Conservative members in particular that it is important that we are all able to hear members’ ques...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I understand the Deputy First Minister’s frustrations about how the motion for debate was drawn up by the Conservatives, but we are four minutes into his spe...
John Swinney SNP
That is timely as that is precisely the point that I have got to in my speech. Until the Government has the opportunity to put the Scottish question to the ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Does Mr Swinney accept that many of those new teaching posts are part time or temporary because of how he has chosen to fund teacher number increases?
John Swinney SNP
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Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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John Swinney SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I know that the Tory motion is designed to wind up the SNP—it seems to have worked with Mr Swinney—but it points to an inconvenient truth for SNP members, be...
John Swinney SNP
I invite Mr Gray to reflect on what he has just said. Perhaps that will help him to understand why his party is in some political difficulty in Scotland. In ...
Iain Gray Lab
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John Swinney SNP
The Government has put in £135 million of new resources to assist schools in the recovery, including through the provision of new staff. Why can Mr Gray not ...
Iain Gray Lab
The resources that John Swinney refers to are the additional resources that local authorities needed just to get schools reopened safely for everyone. Interr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Swinney!
Iain Gray Lab
Nothing will be provided to help the families of children who are living in poverty until February. Despite that, there is all the time in the world for the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I again remind members to desist from making comments from a sedentary position, in order that the debate can be properly heard. 15:54
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
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Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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John Swinney SNP
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Liz Smith Con
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John Swinney SNP
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Liz Smith Con
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Jamie Greene Con
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