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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 September 2020

16 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19

Airports have ground to a halt in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. The industry is collapsing, and some think that there might be no return if no help is offered. That is the reality today.

The reality is that the unions and some political parties are very concerned about the short, medium and long-term prospects for our aviation industry. Job losses are expected to be on the scale of the collapse of the mining industry in the 1980s, and I do not think that that is an exaggeration. The impact on the wider economy is acute. Airline capacity is already shrinking; some airlines have already permanently scrapped their planes. We must understand that to understand the potential devastation and the prospect of any real recovery.

The Scottish Government does not so far seem to recognise the scale of the impending disaster. Michael Matheson and other ministers are too quiet while it unfolds. I heard the cabinet secretary promise three months ago that there was a long-term recovery plan. We must hear more about that. We need the cabinet secretary’s assurance that some of the powers that are within his gift are being used and that he recognises the scale of the problem.

Unite the union has warned for months about the depths of the crisis and the horrendous attack on terms and conditions that Colin Smyth talked about. If that is allowed to happen without conditionality attached to any Government funding, it will spread across the country and to other sectors, unless we get a grip. As the Labour motion makes clear, we demand a specific package of support for the aviation industry, which should include protections for jobs and for working conditions.

However, it must be understood that this is about the wider economy and not just airports. As other speakers have said, the policy of self-regulated quarantine on return from an at-risk country is not working. Although my evidence is anecdotal, I have been counting the number of times that I have heard about people not adhering to quarantine: the number of cases that I have counted is in double figures. If it was adhered to, and if people were observing 14 days’ quarantine, it might be accurate for the Government to say that that is the most effective way to stop the spread of the virus, but most ordinary people do not think that it is the most effective way.

I hope that we are at one on the issue. We are not arguing for a policy change that could create a public health risk. We support the Government in seeking a policy that protects public health. However, the policy is killing the industry, and there is another way to achieve those same aims.

In Germany, the financial sector has returned to some normality and workers have returned to their offices. The reason for that is simple: mass testing. On landing at Frankfurt airport Channel 4’s Paul McNamara reported last night that there is no 14-day quarantine in Germany. It is not perfect, but he said that it is the best way without locking everything down.

I ask Government ministers: is it the lack of capacity that ties them to their current policy, or is it that they do not think that testing could solve the problem? Airports have called for a pilot of testing. I am pleased that the First Minister seems to have left the door to that idea open.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22711, in the name of Colin Smyth, on sustainable aviation beyond Covid-19. I invite members who wish to ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as a proud member of a trade union. Last week’s decision to slam on the brakes, and in some cases to move into reverse, on the easing ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I congratulate Colin Smyth on identifying in his motion exactly what the Scottish Government should be doing. Will he comment on the so-called quarantine tha...
Colin Smyth Lab
I thank Mike Rumbles for making that pertinent point. The reality is that the current process is simply not fit for purpose. Later, I will give details of wh...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Colin Smyth talks about firing and rehiring. I do not see any mention in the motion of the bill on that particular issue in the House of Commons from Gavin N...
Colin Smyth Lab
As Keir Starmer made absolutely clear in his address to the Trades Union Congress, we fully support an end to firing and rehiring. The challenge for the Scot...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me a moment. Do not just have a private debate. We would all like to hear what you are saying.
Colin Smyth Lab
I would like to hear the answer to my question: will the cabinet secretary meet the unions to discuss targeted support? Will he also tell the Parliament, and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have a little time in hand. I will let members make up their time if they take interventions as we like to encourage them. 15:04
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
We do not underestimate the international impact that Covid-19 has had on the aviation industry, nor do we underestimate the importance of that sector to our...
Mike Rumbles LD
Does the cabinet secretary not understand that that is not the most effective way to combat Covid-19? The Scottish Government does not know how many people h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Mr Rumbles.
Mike Rumbles LD
—and we do not know who is carrying it in.
Michael Matheson SNP
When it comes to these matters, we take very clear clinical advice. I must confess that I am much more minded to listen to the clinical advice that we receiv...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Have the airports submitted any options yet?
Michael Matheson SNP
My understanding is that, in the past day or so, they have submitted some data to the clinical advisers in the Scottish Government, which is presently being ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary support my and the Caithness Chamber of Commerce’s campaign to ensure that we have a public service obligation for Wick to Edinbur...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that we are presently evaluating the business case that has been put forward by the Caithness Chamber of Commerce. My good colleague...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I raised the matter of the crisis in our aviation sector with the First Minister ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No—I will not have that. Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as many members do. That is very unfair—please take it back.
Graham Simpson Con
The Greens are not in the chamber.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I beg your pardon, but Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as is required. If not to me, which I would accept, you should apologise to Mr Harvie.
Graham Simpson Con
I apologise to Mr Harvie. However, we will not support the Government’s amendment, because it does not go far enough on airport testing. The Greens’ amendme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Simpson. However, you gave a grudging apology for an unfortunate remark that made me very angry. I call Patrick Harvie to speak to and move am...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer; I am happy to accept any apology for that comment. I also thank you for your recognition that working from home, where we can d...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very grateful to Colin Smyth of the Labour Party for securing the debate. As a representative for what would normally be Scotland’s busiest airport, I k...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Airports have ground to a halt in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. The industry is collapsing, and some think that there might be no return if no help i...
Michael Matheson SNP
The current clinical advice on moving to an airport testing regime is that it carries a greater risk than that of the existing quarantine arrangements. I res...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is all right, Ms McNeill—you will get all that time back.
Pauline McNeill Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. That is the heart of the matter, but I have to ask the cabinet secretary why 30 countries are using some form of airport testi...