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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 September 2020

16 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19

As Keir Starmer made absolutely clear in his address to the Trades Union Congress, we fully support an end to firing and rehiring. The challenge for the Scottish Government is that there is no point in Scottish National Party members at Westminster saying that they are opposed to firing and rehiring when the Scottish Government happily hands over substantial sums of money—in relation to business rates, for example—through one door and companies hand out redundancy notices through the other door.

I have listened to people who support the ending of firing and rehiring. For example, GMB members were told by Swissport at Glasgow airport in June that their jobs were going. They told me that they warned the Scottish Government in March that that was likely to happen. Today, the Parliament can stand side by side with all those workers, including those in our own constituencies and regions. We can come together and say, “Enough is enough.” We can recognise the urgency of the crisis.

The Scottish Government can commit to working with the aviation sector, the trade unions and all stakeholders to agree a package of targeted support. That action should include making the case for an extension of the job retention scheme—or, rather, a new scheme. Not a day goes by when Labour does not make that particular case. We need a furlough scheme that is not used, as Unite the union has said, as a state-sponsored raid on terms and conditions and a subsidising of the cost of redundancy by abusing the job-retention scheme, reducing members’ payments and despicably pitting worker against worker through an effective fire-and-rehire proposal.

As I have said, that principle goes for any support that the Scottish Government provides. It needs to attach conditions that protect jobs and workers’ conditions. We have seen conditions being attached to support. For example, the Government tells us that the bus sector has a condition that says that routes must be protected. Why cannot we have targeted support for the aviation sector that protects jobs?

The clock is ticking for that support. Although there is much in the SNP’s amendment that we support, it is, like the Scottish Government’s response to the crisis so far, too half-hearted, and it lacks urgency. Back in July, in letters to unions and airports, the cabinet secretary committed to work with airports on a route recovery strategy. He claimed to be establishing a number of targeted group discussions to take forward initiatives in which the Scottish Government can provide such support. Three months later, we have heard nothing.

When Michael Matheson responds, will he give a personal commitment to meet aviation sector trade unions, which he has so far failed to do, to discuss what more can be done to support the sector? Will he tell the Parliament—[Interruption.]

What the cabinet secretary has said is not true. I am sure that he can answer that when he—[Interruption.] The trade unions have made it clear that the cabinet secretary has not met them to discuss a package of targeted support for that sector. He has failed to deliver the targeted support—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
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Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as a proud member of a trade union. Last week’s decision to slam on the brakes, and in some cases to move into reverse, on the easing ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I congratulate Colin Smyth on identifying in his motion exactly what the Scottish Government should be doing. Will he comment on the so-called quarantine tha...
Colin Smyth Lab
I thank Mike Rumbles for making that pertinent point. The reality is that the current process is simply not fit for purpose. Later, I will give details of wh...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Colin Smyth talks about firing and rehiring. I do not see any mention in the motion of the bill on that particular issue in the House of Commons from Gavin N...
Colin Smyth Lab
As Keir Starmer made absolutely clear in his address to the Trades Union Congress, we fully support an end to firing and rehiring. The challenge for the Scot...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me a moment. Do not just have a private debate. We would all like to hear what you are saying.
Colin Smyth Lab
I would like to hear the answer to my question: will the cabinet secretary meet the unions to discuss targeted support? Will he also tell the Parliament, and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have a little time in hand. I will let members make up their time if they take interventions as we like to encourage them. 15:04
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
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Mike Rumbles LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Mr Rumbles.
Mike Rumbles LD
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Michael Matheson SNP
When it comes to these matters, we take very clear clinical advice. I must confess that I am much more minded to listen to the clinical advice that we receiv...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Have the airports submitted any options yet?
Michael Matheson SNP
My understanding is that, in the past day or so, they have submitted some data to the clinical advisers in the Scottish Government, which is presently being ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary support my and the Caithness Chamber of Commerce’s campaign to ensure that we have a public service obligation for Wick to Edinbur...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that we are presently evaluating the business case that has been put forward by the Caithness Chamber of Commerce. My good colleague...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I raised the matter of the crisis in our aviation sector with the First Minister ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No—I will not have that. Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as many members do. That is very unfair—please take it back.
Graham Simpson Con
The Greens are not in the chamber.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I beg your pardon, but Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as is required. If not to me, which I would accept, you should apologise to Mr Harvie.
Graham Simpson Con
I apologise to Mr Harvie. However, we will not support the Government’s amendment, because it does not go far enough on airport testing. The Greens’ amendme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Simpson. However, you gave a grudging apology for an unfortunate remark that made me very angry. I call Patrick Harvie to speak to and move am...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer; I am happy to accept any apology for that comment. I also thank you for your recognition that working from home, where we can d...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very grateful to Colin Smyth of the Labour Party for securing the debate. As a representative for what would normally be Scotland’s busiest airport, I k...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Michael Matheson SNP
The current clinical advice on moving to an airport testing regime is that it carries a greater risk than that of the existing quarantine arrangements. I res...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is all right, Ms McNeill—you will get all that time back.
Pauline McNeill Lab
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