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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 September 2020

16 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19

I thank Mike Rumbles for making that pertinent point. The reality is that the current process is simply not fit for purpose. Later, I will give details of what I believe the alternatives could be. The reason why the Government has gone down the route that it has gone down, rather than having testing, which is the real public health solution, is that the testing regime is not fit for purpose, and it cannot put in place a fit-for-purpose testing regime at the moment.

I refer to what Mike Rumbles said. Countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Greece and Iceland have systems with testing at their heart to tackle that particular problem. The reality is that that is what Scotland’s airports and aviation workers are asking for. Those key workers need our backing now.

That is why Labour is clear that support for our airports and aviation companies and any investment that is made by taxpayers cannot simply be an unconditional bail-out. It should have strings attached to support moves towards a sustainable, greener and more socially responsible sector. Crucially, it must be provided on the basis that jobs, pay and working conditions are protected.

That is why Labour is leading calls for United Kingdom legislation to end the scandal of firing and rehiring on poorer conditions across all sectors. Fire-and-rehire tactics are simply wrong. They punish good employers and hit working people hard, and they need to end.

I was proud to stand side by side recently with members of Unite the union when they came to Dumfries as part of their campaign against the British Airways betrayal. That company was firing all its 42,000 staff and rehiring on inferior terms and conditions of employment those whose jobs have not been axed. I have stood side by side with the Prospect union as it fought for its members at Prestwick Aircraft Maintenance Ltd, which is, ironically, based at the Scottish Government-owned Prestwick airport in my region. The company shamefully sacked workers when they refused cuts in wages of 50 per cent.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22711, in the name of Colin Smyth, on sustainable aviation beyond Covid-19. I invite members who wish to ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as a proud member of a trade union. Last week’s decision to slam on the brakes, and in some cases to move into reverse, on the easing ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I congratulate Colin Smyth on identifying in his motion exactly what the Scottish Government should be doing. Will he comment on the so-called quarantine tha...
Colin Smyth Lab
I thank Mike Rumbles for making that pertinent point. The reality is that the current process is simply not fit for purpose. Later, I will give details of wh...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Colin Smyth talks about firing and rehiring. I do not see any mention in the motion of the bill on that particular issue in the House of Commons from Gavin N...
Colin Smyth Lab
As Keir Starmer made absolutely clear in his address to the Trades Union Congress, we fully support an end to firing and rehiring. The challenge for the Scot...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me a moment. Do not just have a private debate. We would all like to hear what you are saying.
Colin Smyth Lab
I would like to hear the answer to my question: will the cabinet secretary meet the unions to discuss targeted support? Will he also tell the Parliament, and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have a little time in hand. I will let members make up their time if they take interventions as we like to encourage them. 15:04
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
We do not underestimate the international impact that Covid-19 has had on the aviation industry, nor do we underestimate the importance of that sector to our...
Mike Rumbles LD
Does the cabinet secretary not understand that that is not the most effective way to combat Covid-19? The Scottish Government does not know how many people h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Mr Rumbles.
Mike Rumbles LD
—and we do not know who is carrying it in.
Michael Matheson SNP
When it comes to these matters, we take very clear clinical advice. I must confess that I am much more minded to listen to the clinical advice that we receiv...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Have the airports submitted any options yet?
Michael Matheson SNP
My understanding is that, in the past day or so, they have submitted some data to the clinical advisers in the Scottish Government, which is presently being ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary support my and the Caithness Chamber of Commerce’s campaign to ensure that we have a public service obligation for Wick to Edinbur...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that we are presently evaluating the business case that has been put forward by the Caithness Chamber of Commerce. My good colleague...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I raised the matter of the crisis in our aviation sector with the First Minister ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No—I will not have that. Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as many members do. That is very unfair—please take it back.
Graham Simpson Con
The Greens are not in the chamber.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I beg your pardon, but Mr Harvie is speaking remotely, as is required. If not to me, which I would accept, you should apologise to Mr Harvie.
Graham Simpson Con
I apologise to Mr Harvie. However, we will not support the Government’s amendment, because it does not go far enough on airport testing. The Greens’ amendme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Simpson. However, you gave a grudging apology for an unfortunate remark that made me very angry. I call Patrick Harvie to speak to and move am...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer; I am happy to accept any apology for that comment. I also thank you for your recognition that working from home, where we can d...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very grateful to Colin Smyth of the Labour Party for securing the debate. As a representative for what would normally be Scotland’s busiest airport, I k...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Airports have ground to a halt in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. The industry is collapsing, and some think that there might be no return if no help i...
Michael Matheson SNP
The current clinical advice on moving to an airport testing regime is that it carries a greater risk than that of the existing quarantine arrangements. I res...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is all right, Ms McNeill—you will get all that time back.
Pauline McNeill Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. That is the heart of the matter, but I have to ask the cabinet secretary why 30 countries are using some form of airport testi...